Notes:

See also "Notes on a Few Female Ancestors of John Munro" shown underJohn's "Spouses" as an "Other".

"From Hector, to his son Robert; then to Robert's son Hugh of Assynt;then to Hugh's son William of Mid-Swordell; then to William's son George;and then to George's son "John who went to the Armie to Worcester 1651'."

My wife's descent from a John Munro, who was captured at the Battle ofWorcester and then deported as an indentured servant, along with a greatmany other Scottish prisoners from the battle, to Boston, is quite clear.
It cannot really be proved that John Munro, the prisoner, is the sameJohn Munro "who went to the Armie to Worcester," but it seems highlylikely. No other Munro line has claimed him as its ancestor, and, in theabsence of information that there were any other John Munros at thebattle, I think that there is a presumption that soldier John andprisoner John were the same person."
Form Doug Hickling

Descendents from:
"Poynor/Herwick" Contact: Greg Poynor athttp://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gpoynor&id=I0930
&
Contact: Debbie Allen
athttp://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=7kidds&id=I7490
Who says:
"Note: John is the same as the "John Monrow" who came on the John & Sarahof London 12 May 1652 along with three other "Monrow" passengers listedas Robert, Hugh & "_____." This latter passenger, whose first name wasobliterated in the record has been demonstrated clearly for testimony ofWilliam that he came in 1652. All were shipped as prisoners of war andconsigned to Thomas Kemble to whom the were indentured. The all arrived @Boston & nothing further was heard of John until he appeared on a recordin Rhode Island in Oct of 1669
Sources:
Title: The Monroe Book
Author: Dr Joan Guilford
Publication: Genealoogy Publishing Service, 448 Ruby Mine Road, Franklin,NC 28734"

In addition is added at
Motteler/Ginsbach Connections
Contact: Zane C. Motteler Home Page: Zane and Marilynn Motteler
athttp://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=zmottel&id=I15297

"John Munro fought in the Battle of Worcester and was banished to NewEngland by Oliver Cromwell along with his brother Hugh and his uncleRobert. They were shipped, along with other relatives, on the ships"John" and "Sarah", which left England on 11 November 1651. He arrived inBoston in February 1652. On 28 January 1674, he was one of the witnessesto the purchase of Sakonnet (Little Compton, Rhode Island) by ConstantSouthworth from the Indian Squaw Sachem Awashunks. By 1689 he lived inBristol, Rhode Island and was listed in the Census as G. Row (G. is atitle, it stands for Goodman. It is a little lower than Mr.). On 10November 1691, an inventory of his estate was taken in Bristol, RhodeIsland. He descended from Robert Munro, 14th Baron of Foulis (Fowlis),through his third son Hugh Munro I of Assynth. See, "History of theMunros of Fowlis," by MacKenzie. President James Monroe was descendedthrough Robert Munro, 14th Baron of Foulis's son George, and his sonGeorge."

Also
"MunroeHodges" Contact: Ken Postle
athttp://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2279083&id=I504012988
Has information on the son Thomas and says

"...taken prisoner in the Battle of Worcester, the disastrous defeat ofthe Royalist supporters of King Charles II by the forces of OliverCromwell. It was the custom in those days to deport prisoners of war,consigning them to some wealthy man who, in return for paying theirpassage, would be given the privilege of selling their services (fortwenty or thirty pounds) for periods of from six to eight years. InNovember 1651 the prisoners taken at the Battle of Worcester wereconsigned to Mr. Thomas Kemble of Boston and were shipped across theAtlantic in the "John and Sarah." Mr. Kemble was a well-to-do merchantand lumber dealer with interests in northern New England as well asMassachusetts, and he probably had no trouble disposing of his unhappycargo to planters and manufacturers throughout the area. Some of the menhe may have sold for work in the iron bogs of Lynn, Saugus, Braintree orTaunton.
The record of the consignment to Mr. Kemble of the 272 prisoners on the"John and Sarah," together with their names, appears in the Deeds ofSuffolk County, Book I, page 5. In the list are four Munrows - Robert,John, Hugh and another whose first name was torn so that it could not beread, but which Mr. Mackenzie and other historians believe to be William.
One of the early settlers at Cambridge Farms (now part of Lexington) wasa William Munroe who became the founder of the large Lexington Munroefamily. He is known to have been born in Scotland in 1625, and both Mr.Mackenzie and John G. Locke, a former historian of the town of Lexington,believe that he is identical with William, son of Robert of Aldie, bornin 1625 and captured in the Battle of Worcester. Robert of Aldie's sonWilliam is known to have been deported, hence the historians' belief thatthe obliterated name on the passenger list of the "John and Sarah" isWilliam. Mr. Mackenzie died before he could establish the ancestry of thethree other Munrows on this ship, but he did believe that there was ablood relationship between the four men and that Robert, John or Hugh wasthe founder of the Munroe family of Bristol, R. I. It is my belief thatit was John Munrow who was the founder of this family."

Similar information at "Rehoboth Munroes" Contact: Kenneth Postle
athttp://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2411622&id=I516582015

Family/Spouse: Notes On A Few Female Ancestors of John Munro. Notes and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Married:
1 _MSTAT Other

John married Sarah in 1663 in Duxbury, Massachusetts Or Little Compton, Rhode Island. was born about 1634; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. John Munro was born about 1664 in Bristol. Bristol Co., Rhode Island; died in Dec 1739 in Bristol. Bristol Co., Rhode Island.
2. Thomas Munro was born in 1666 in Bristol, Newport (Now Bristol) County, Rhode Island; died on 25 Mar 1727 in Bristol, Newport County.
3. Elizabeth Munro was born about 1670 in Bristol, Bristol Co, Rhode Island; died in Mar 1755 in Rhode Island.
4. Sarah Munro was born in 1672; and died.
5. William Munro was born in 1674 in Massachusetts, USA; died on 29 Apr 1746 in Bristol, Rhode Island.
6. George Munro was born in 1677; and died.
7. Benjamin Munro was born in 1678; and died.
8. Joseph Munro was born in 1680 in Bristol, Newport (Now Bristol) County, Rhode Island; died in 1759 in New London, Connecticut, USA.
9. Mary Munro was born in 1682; and died.

Notes:

"George's sons Hugh and John and their Uncle Robert may have beenbanished to America after (Battle of) Worcester (Mackenzie 466, 560)Robert, John and Hugh Monrow are listed as passengers shipped from Londonto Boston in 1651/52 (Suffolk Co. Deeds, Mass., Book 1 pp 5-6, photocopyper Mrs E W Wait, and New England Hist. Gen. Soc. Register, Oct 1847, p378) and it has been argued that this John maybe the same who d Bristolin 1691 (E W Wait in American Genealogist, Oct 1964, xl 200-2)"
From THE MUNRO TREE a Genealogy and Chronology of the Munro's of Foulisand other Families of the Clan. A manuscript compiled in 1734 edited withIntroduction and Notes by R.W Munro Printed for subscribers , Edinburgh1978. Munro Tree 1734 (Q/41, page 16)

George married Marjory RossAssynt, Sutherland, Scotland. Marjory (daughter of Hugh Ross) was born about 1615 in Assynt, Sutherland, Scotland; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From THE MUNRO TREE a Genealogy and Chronology of the Munro's of Foulisand other Families of the Clan. A manuscript compiled in 1734 edited withIntroduction and Notes by R.W Munro Printed for subscribers , Edinburgh1978

Hugh + Agnes (of Catwell) Munro. Agnes (daughter of George (of Catwell) Munro) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

William + Euffem\Euphemia (of Achnacloich) Ross. Euffem\Euphemia (daughter of Hugh (2nd of Tollie\Acnacloich) Ross and Isabel (of Milton\Dochcarty) Munro) was born in 1582; died after 1615. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

a. This note relates to Euphemia Ross, John Munro's paternal grandmotherand wife of William Munro of Clynes/Mid-Swordale (Munro Tree Q/38).

Euphemia Ross is named in THE MUNRO TREE (1734), edited by R. W. Munro,as "Euphem daughter to Hugh Ross of Achnacloich," but it does not furtheridentify her. The chronoological evidence points clearly to Hugh Ross IIof Tollie/Acnacloich as her father and Isabel, third daughter of GeorgeMunro, 4th of Milton/Dochcarty (MUNRO TREE L/4), and his wife JanetFraser, as her mother.
From
Douglas Hickling
Dhhic@comcast.com
516 Blair Avenue
Piedmont CA 94611
(August 2003)

A more detailed discussion on "NOTES ON A FEW FEMALE ANCESTORS OF JOHNMUNRO" will appear in the up coming edition of the MUNRO EAGLE, thepublication of the Clan Munro Association in the U. S. (June 2003) . SeeBelow.

1. EUPHEMIA ROSS, JOHN MUNRO'S PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER AND WIFE OF WILLIAMMUNRO OF CLYNES/MID-SWORDALE (MUNRO TREE Q/38)

The manuscript identifies the wife of William Munro ofClynes/Mid-Swordale as "Euffem daughter to Hugh Ross of Achnacloich," [6]but is silent as to which of the several generations of Hugh Rosses ofTollie/Achnacloich was Euphemia's father.

In order to determine Euphemia's parentage, it is necessary to estimateher year of birth, as well as that of John Munro. William Munro died in1619 and was survived by four sons, the eldest of whom, Hugh, was alreadyof age as he was served heir to his father in 1620. [7] Thus, William'swife must have been born no later than 1582.

John was apparently unmarried at the time of his capture in 1651, and mayhave been still in his teens. It was the practice, established in 1647,to transport only unmarried prisoners. [8] William Munro, John'sclansman who was also a Scottish prisoner transported on the JOHN ANDSARAH, twice testified under oath in 1691 that he was then 56/57 yearsold, [9] thus establishing his year of birth as 1634/1635. This meansthat William Munro was at most 17 at the time of the battle ofWorcester. It is reasonable to place John Munro's birth year between1629 and 1635.

The chronological evidence points clearly to Hugh Ross II ofTollie/Achnacloich as Euphemia's father. Two of his known childreneither had or could have had grandchildren who were contemporaries ofJohn Munro. Hugh Ross of Breakach, the son of Hugh Ross II, died in1610, leaving a son Hugh Ross III of Tollie/Achnacloich, born about 1601,as he was not old enough to succeed his father and grandfather until1622. Hugh Ross III died suddenly of apparent poisoning in 1643, andwas succeeded by his son John Ross, who was already of age in 1644,meaning that he was probably a little older than John Munro. [10]

Janet Ross, a daughter of Hugh Ross II and a sister of Hugh Ross ofBreakach, was born no later than 1580, as she married Walter Ross ofMorangie in 1595. She died in 1600, a month after giving birth to herthird child. Her son Thomas Ross was born in 1599. He became a notary,and his first wife Margaret Strachan died in 1629, showing that Janet wasalso of the right age to have had grandchildren who who would have beencontemporaries of John Munro. [11]

Further chronological support of Euphemia's placement as a daughter ofHugh Ross II of Tollie/Achnacloich is the fact that Katherine Munro, asister of William Munro of Clynes/Mid-Swordale, Euphemia's husband,married as his first wife William Ross, 3rd of Invercharron, thegreat-grandson of Sir David Ross, 7th of Balnagown. [12] As a presumeddaughter of Hugh Ross II, Euphemia was a great-granddaughter of the sameSir David Ross. [13] Thus, William Ross and Euphemia Ross, who weresecond cousins, married, respectively, Katherine Munro and William Munro,who were sister and brother. Finally, Alexander Ross, 9th of Balnagown,who was the first cousin of Hugh Ross II of Tollie/Achnacloich, thelatter being the presumed great-grandfather of John Munro, was, himself,the great-grandfather of David Ross, 12th of Balnagown, born in 1619.David Ross was thus John's contemporary. Like his cousin John, David wascaptured at the battle of Worcester. He thereafter died a prisoner inthe Tower of London. [14]

Euphemia Ross's mother, the spouse of Hugh Ross II of Tollie/Achnacloich,was Isabel, third daughter of George Monro, 4th of Milton/Dochcarty, andhis wife Janet Fraser. [15]

From
Douglas Hickling
Dhhic@comcast.com
516 Blair Avenue

NOTES TO TEXT

6. R. W. Munro, ed., THE MUNRO TREE--A GENEALOGY AND CHRONOLOGY OF THEMUNROS OF FOULIS AND OTHER FAMILIES OF THE CLAN--A MANUSCRIPT COMPILED IN1734 EDITED WITH INTRODUCTION AND NOTES (Edinburgh 1978), p. 16.

7. Munro, p. 15.

8. Malcolm Atkin, CROMWELL'S CROWNING MERCY--THE BATTLE OF WORCESTER1651 (Great Britain: Sutton Publishing 1998), p. 130.

9. Richard S. Monroe, comp., HISTORY AND GENEALOGY OF THE LEXINGTON,MASACHUSETTS MUNROES, rev. ed. (Florence, Mass.: 1986), pp. viii-x.

10. R. J. Adam, ed., THE CALENDAR OF FEARN: TEXT AND ADDITIONS,1471-1667 (Edinburgh: Scottish History Society 1991), pp. 172, 207;Francis Nevile Reid, comp., THE EARLS OF ROSS AND THEIR DESCENDANTS(Edinburgh: The Scottish Antiquary 1894), p. 105.

11. Adam, pp. 42, 45, 47-48, 199, 219.

12. Reid, pp. 18-19.

13. Adam, pp. 151-152, 192; Reid, p. 24, 104-105.

14. Adam, pp. 216-218; Reid, p. 11.

15. Munro, pp. 2-3.

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