Notes:

(Note: Previously shown as daughter of John (of Carnwath) 2nd LordSomerville. The Scotts Peerage (p 332) says she was "daughter of John,third Lord Somerville of Carnwath" as does Burke's Peerage (106th Ed., p104) but that father does seem imposssible as Doug Hickling & Mr MacEwenpoint out below. Her husband dying Bef. March 1439/40 but John, the 2ndLord of Carnwath marrying firstly in July 10, 1446 and again in March1455/56, and The Complete Peerage shows John, the 3rd Lord, was born in1482 and DSP (Died with out children).

"...you show that Elizabeth Somerville, the mother of Colin (1st Earl ofArgyll) Campbell, was a daughter of John (of Carnwath) 2nd LordSomerville. There is ample evidence, much of it chronological, thatElizabeth's father was Thomas (of Linton and Carnwath) Somerville, whowas frequently called the first Lord Somerville in error. This ThomasSomerville was the grandfather of John, 2nd Lord Somerville.

Archibald/Celestin Campbell, Elizabeth's husband, died "probably before1439," according to SP 9:18. CP 1:198 says that Archibald died betweenApril 1431 and March 1440. As I explain above under part 1, ColinCampbell, the future 1st Earl of Argyll, seems to have been born about1433 as he was about 20 when he succeeded his grandfather in 1453, so hismarriage to Elizabeth must have occurred by 1432. John, 2nd LordSomerville married for the first time on 10 July 1446 (SP 8:12, CP 12,pt. 1:94), So he could not possibly have been Elizabeth's father,
having first married at least fourteen years after Elizabeth's marriageto Archibald Campbell, and long after Archibald's death.

William, 1st Lord Somerville, John's father, was born in or before 1400and was first married in 1428 or 1429 (CP 12, pt. 1:92-93),no more thanthree years before Elizabeth married
Archibald, so he could not have been Elizabeth's father, being ageneration too old. This leaves Sir Thomas Somerville, father ofWilliam, 1st Lord Somerville, as Elizabeth Somerville's probable father.Thomas Somerville was born about 1370 and married (1) Janet Stewartbefore July 1391, and (2) Elizabeth Keith, pursuant to a dispensationdated 2 November 1411. (SP 8: 7-9) Thomas's and Elizabeth's marriagelasted for 25 years, ending with her death in 1436.

The highly respected Andrew B. W. MacEwen, in his article, "The FamilyConnections of Alexander Sutherland of Dunbeath," appearing in THEGENEALOGIST, Fall 1982, vol. 3, No. 2, at 131, states in note 77, at 151,that Elizabeth Somerville was the daughter of Thomas Somerville ofCarnwath, not John, Lord Somerville. MacEwen's assertion is based inpart upon the fact that Thomas Somerville of Carnwath witnessed anindenture, dated 9 July 1432, under which Sir John Scrymgeour and SirDuncan Campbell of Lochow, with the consent of the latter's son and heir,Gillaspy (Archibald), exchanged Sir Duncan's lands of Menstry for SirJohn's lands of Glassarie. This indenture is found, at 165, in vol. 2 ofHIGHLAND PAPERS (Scottish History Society Publications, 2nd series) vol.12 (1916). At 169, note 1, the editor, J. R. N. Macphail, referring toThomas Somerville's participation as a witness, commented that "ArchibaldRoy [the son of Sir Duncan] seems to have been married to his daughter."

"I pointed out above that Elizabeth Somerville must have marriedArchibald Campbell by 1432, so Elizabeth must have been born no laterthan 1416. Of course, Elizabeth and Archibald could have been marriedearlier than 1432 or Elizabeth could have been somewhat older than 16when she married. Elizabeth Keith seems to be the most likely mother ofElizabeth Somerville. Elizabeth Keith was married to Thomas Somervillefrom at least 1411 to about 1436 and they may have married earlier.Further, the first daughters of a marriage were frequently named aftertheir mothers, although the more usual practice was to name the firstdaughter after the maternal grandmother, while the third daughter tookher mother's name."

Douglas Hickling
Dhhic@comcast.com
516 Blair Avenue
Piedmont CA 94611
(August 2003)

SP = Scots Peerage
CP = The Complete Peerage by G E Cokyane

Elizabeth married Archibald (or Gelestin) Campbell before 1432. Archibald (son of Duncan Na-Adh (Sir)(of Lochow) 1st Lord Campbell and Marjory (Marcellina) (of Albany) Stewart) died before Mar 1440. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Archibald Campbell and died.
2. Colin (1st Earl of Argyll) 2nd Lord Campbell was born about 1433; died on 10 May 1493.

Notes:

Some say his 1st wife was Janet, daughter of Alexander (Sir) Stewart ofDarnley was mother of his children.

From Doug Hickling (Sources etc. to follow)
"Janet, daughter of Alexander (Sir) Stewart of Darnley by his first wife____ Turnbull, daughter of Sir Turnbull of Minto. Alexander (Sir) wasdescended (in the male line) from Alan (Sir) Stewart, the second son ofJohn (Sir) Stewart of Bonkyl and (in a female line) from Walter (Sir)Stewart, the fourth son of Alan (Sir). The Somerville article inCP12:92, which was published in 1953 and is therefore one of the newer CPvolumes, states that William Somerville of Carnwath was the son and heirof Thomas (Sir) Somerville and his first wife, Janet, daughter ofAlexander (Sir) Stewart of Darnley and was born in or before 1400. Atfootnote d, the article says that Thomas (Sir) married Janet Stewartbefore July 1391, thus obtaining the barony of Cambusnethan. The samenote says that he married Mary Sinclair in 1407 and that it is unlikelythat she was the mother of his son William. Thomas (Sir)' third wife,whom he married pursuant to a 2 November 1411 dispensation, was ElizabethKeith, 4th daughter of Sir William Keith, who was the widow of Nicholas(Sir) Erskine of Kinnoull and of Adam (Sir) Gordon of Huntly."
Douglas Hickling
Dhhic@comcast.com
516 Blair Avenue
Piedmont CA 94611

"Thomas Somerville, 1st Lord (b c1370, d 12.1444)
BE1883 reports that Thomas was created a peer on 15.12.1430 but TSP,whilst accepting that others refer to him as the 1st Lord and whilstacknowledging that he was called to Parliament, specifically refers tohis son as the 1st Lord. We follow BE1883 because its numbering systemappears to be more often used than TSP's.
m. (1391) Janet Stewart (dau of Sir Alexander Stewart of Dernley)
Through this marriage the barony of Cambusnethan came into this family.
((1)) William Somerville, 2nd Lord (d 20.08.1456)"
From Stirnet Genealogy athttp://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ss4as/somerville01.htm

BE1883 = Burke's Extinct Peerage
TSP = 'The Scots Peerage'

Thomas married Elizabeth (Aboyne) Keith after 2 Nov 1411. Elizabeth (daughter of William (Sir)(Great Marischal Scotland) De Keith and Margaret (of Touchfraser) Fraser) died in 1436. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

William married Margaret (of Touchfraser) Fraser about 1347. Margaret (daughter of John (of Touchfraser) Fraser and Mary) was born before 1332; died before 1410. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

William + Margaret De Newbigging. Margaret (daughter of Walter (of Dunsire) De Newbigging) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Robert married Isabel (Heiress of Sinton) De Synton before Jul 1305. Isabel (daughter of Alexander (De Sinton) De Synton) was born about 1290; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

John + Mary. and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]