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Son C Douglas

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Son C Douglas (son of Sir Archibald (2nd of Glenbervie) Douglas and Elizabeth (Mary) Irvine); and died.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Sir Archibald (2nd of Glenbervie) Douglas was born about 1502 (son of Sir William (of Glenbervie) Douglas and Elizabeth Auchinleck); died on 29 Sep 1570.

    Archibald + Elizabeth (Mary) Irvine. Elizabeth (daughter of Alexander (Sir) (6th of Drum) Irvine and Janet (of Inverugie) Keith) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Elizabeth (Mary) Irvine (daughter of Alexander (Sir) (6th of Drum) Irvine and Janet (of Inverugie) Keith); and died.
    Children:
    1. James (of Glenbervie, of Nether Kilmonth) Douglas died after 1634.
    2. John (of Cruixton) Douglas was born in 1558; died before 1608.
    3. 1. Son C Douglas and died.
    4. Daughter 10 Douglas and died.
    5. Daughter 11 Douglas and died.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Sir William (of Glenbervie) Douglas was born about 1470 (son of Archibald (5th Earl of Angus) Douglas and Elizabeth Boyd); died on 9 Sep 1513 in Battle Of Flodden.

    William married Elizabeth Auchinleck in 1501. Elizabeth (daughter of James (of Glenbervie) Auchinleck) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Elizabeth Auchinleck (daughter of James (of Glenbervie) Auchinleck); and died.
    Children:
    1. 2. Sir Archibald (2nd of Glenbervie) Douglas was born about 1502; died on 29 Sep 1570.

  3. 6.  Alexander (Sir) (6th of Drum) Irvine (son of Alexander (5th of Drum) Irvine and Elizabeth Marion Forbes); died before 4 Dec 1572.

    Alexander married Janet (of Inverugie) Keith before 1475. Janet (daughter of Sir Gilbert (3rd of Inverugie) Keith and Janet Graham) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Janet (of Inverugie) Keith (daughter of Sir Gilbert (3rd of Inverugie) Keith and Janet Graham); and died.
    Children:
    1. Alexander (7Th of Drum) Irvine was born about 1492; died after 12 Feb 1554.
    2. 3. Elizabeth (Mary) Irvine and died.
    3. Elspeth Irvine was born about 1488; and died.
    4. Gilbert Irvine and died.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Archibald (5th Earl of Angus) Douglas was born in 1453 (son of Sir George (4th Earl of Angus) Douglas and Isabel Sibbald); died after 29 Nov 1513.

    Notes:

    Son of the fourth Earl. Known as the Great Earl of Angus, and as "Bell the Cat". He was married three times, had three sons, and several daughters. His second son, William, was by Elizabeth Boyd. The name "Bell the Cat" came to Angus through an occurrence at the time of Cochran, Minister to James III. A secret meeting of some nobles was held when the corruptions of Cochran were discussed, and a method of overcoming the evils. Lord Gray told a fable.
    "A council held by the mice, who were much annoyed by the cat, decided that a bell should be hung around puss's neck to warn them when she was coming. But although all were in layout, no one could be found with sufficient courage to place the bell on the cat."
    Thus, it was insinuated that although the nobles might condemn the King's Minister, there was no one to be found with the courage to carry out their resolutions. At this Angus arose and said; "I am he who shall bell the cat." While still debating, a loud knocking sounded at the door, and Cochran with three hundred men appeared. Angus met him, and seizing a rich gold chain which Cochran wore around his neck, jerked it off, saying "A halter would be more becoming."
    So, they hanged him with many others, and thus "Bell the Cat" got his name.
    Angus, at this time was the leader of the Scottish nobility and on the seizing of the King by the nobles, Angus it was who dictated the terms of his release to Albany, the king's brother; and being so fair and reasonable, he gained the respect of the King and Court, Albany was for a time practically ruler of Scotland, until he showed favoritism to the English, when the nobles became suspicious, and he had to flee the country. He then attacked Scotland with the English. Angus was nearly captured in the fight, escaping only by speed of his horse.
    Earl Angus was at once Warden of the East and Middle Marches, Lord of Liddesdale and Jedwood Forest, and possessor of the Castles of Douglas, Hermitage and Tantallion. He was highly esteemed by the nobility, and the faction, which he controlled, shook the throne of James III, whose person they restrained. In 1488, Angus and his supporters made war on the King, who was defeated at Bannockburn. The King, fleeing the field, was murdered, after a fall from his horse.
    During the early reign of King James IV, Angus was an advisor and friend of the young King, who at the same time, kept a close watch on the growing power of Angus, and later forced Angus to exchange his castle of Hermitage in Galloway for the Castle of Bothwell, thus scattering his strength.
    In 1513, an English army, under the Earl of Surrey, met the Scottish army at Flodden. Here Earl Angus tried to advise the King as to the procedure of Battle, but being insulted by the King who had turned very stubborn, the old Knight retired from the field, leaving his two sons who were killed, with the King in the battle the next day. Angus died the following year, a very old man, and was succeeded by the son of his eldest son, George Master of Douglas, who was killed at Flodden. (See Scott's Marmion)

    Archibald married Elizabeth Boyd on 4 Mar 1467-1468. Elizabeth (daughter of Robert (Great Chamderlain) 1st Lord Boyd and Mariot (of Calderwood) Maxwell) died before 21 Feb 1497. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Elizabeth Boyd (daughter of Robert (Great Chamderlain) 1st Lord Boyd and Mariot (of Calderwood) Maxwell); died before 21 Feb 1497.
    Children:
    1. George (Master of Angus) Douglas was born about 1469; died on 9 Sep 1513 in Killed In Battle Of Flodden.
    2. 4. Sir William (of Glenbervie) Douglas was born about 1470; died on 9 Sep 1513 in Battle Of Flodden.
    3. Janet Douglas and died.
    4. Marion\Mariot (of Angus) Douglas and died.
    5. Gavin (Bishop of Dunkeld) Douglas died in Sep 1522.
    6. Archibald (of Kilspindie) Douglas died in by 1536.
    7. Elizabeth Douglas died before 1493.
    8. Isabel Douglas was born before 1513; and died.

  3. 10.  James (of Glenbervie) Auchinleck (son of John (Sir) Auchinleck); and died.
    Children:
    1. 5. Elizabeth Auchinleck and died.

  4. 12.  Alexander (5th of Drum) Irvine (son of Alexander (Yr of Drum) Irvine and Abernethy); died in Dec 1493.

    Alexander + Elizabeth Marion Forbes. Elizabeth (daughter of Alexander 1st Baron Forbes and Elizabeth (of Angus) Douglas) was born about 1429; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  5. 13.  Elizabeth Marion Forbes was born about 1429 (daughter of Alexander 1st Baron Forbes and Elizabeth (of Angus) Douglas); and died.
    Children:
    1. 6. Alexander (Sir) (6th of Drum) Irvine died before 4 Dec 1572.
    2. Agnes (of Drum) Irvine and died.
    3. Henry (of Kingcausie) Irvine was born about 1436; died after 1548.
    4. Richard (of Craigtown) Irvine and died.

  6. 14.  Sir Gilbert (3rd of Inverugie) Keith was born about 1418 (son of Keith); died about 1494.

    Notes:

    "It seems clear that Gilbert Keith's first marriage was to ______Ogstoun, heiress of Ludquharn, as it was through her that Sir Gilbert became the owner of Ludquharn. The principal source of information onSir Gilbert's family is Sir Robert Douglas's BARONAGE OF SCOTLAND (1798),at l73. He says that Sir Gilbert and his first wife had four sons:
    (1) Sir William (of Inverugie), his heir;
    (2) John who was given Ludquharn byhis father, but who died without issue so that estate went to the nextson;
    (3) Andrew, from whom descended the Keiths of Inverugie; and
    (4) Gilbert, who was given the lands of Pelcock in the barony of Kelley.

    Although Douglas mentions Sir Gilbert's second marriage, this one to Janet Graham, he says, erroneously, that there were no surviving issue by this marriage. I think it quite possible, and even likely, that,although Sir Gilbert did marry the heiress of Ogstoun, all of his children were by his second wife. Sir Gilbert and Janet Graham were married before 16 June 1455, the date of a bond of relief by her father to cautioners for her tocher. William Keith, identified as Sir Gilbert's son and heir apparent, together with his wife Janet Dunbar, received a crown charter on 31 March 1476. If this grant was made because of the grantees' recent marriage, as was often the case, William may well have been Janet Graham's son in view of her marriage to Sir Gilbert sometime before June 1455. It is difficult to believe that Sir Gilbert had nothing but daughters by his second wife and nothing but sons by his first spouse.

    The article in Douglas's BARONAGE states that Gilbert Keith, the youngest son of Sir Gilbert, was given Pelcock in 1487, by a charter witnessed by his three older brothers. On that date John, the second son, was still alive, but he had not yet been given Ludquharn. In 1492, John having died, the estate of Ludquharn was given to Andrew Keith, the third son. The dividing up by Sir Gilbert of his estates among his sons suggests that they were relatively young men when they witnessed the 1487 charter and that most, if not all, of the sons were children by Janet Graham. Sir Robert Douglas in his BARONAGE referred to a 1490 charter identifying Janet Graham as Sir Gilbert's spouse. I suspect that, had he known of the 1455 bond relief on Janet's tocher, Douglas would have assigned Janet as the mother of all of Sir Gilbert's children.

    Sir Gilbert Keith and Janet Graham are known to have had at least three daughters. You correctly show two of them: Elizabeth and Janet, but I suggest that you add Helen to the list. According to R. J. Adam in his THE CALENDAR OF FEARN: TEXT AND ADDITIONS, 1471-1667, published by the Scottish History Society in 1991, at 87, 93-94, Helen was a daughter of Gilbert Keith of Inverugy and she married David Ross, 7th of Balnagown. John Ross, 5th of Balnagown, resigned Balnagown in 1488, "in associationwith Gilbert Keith," to his grandson David Ross. In 1490, John Rossresigned all his lands to the crown for regrant to David, and Easter Rarechie and Cullisse were separately granted to David and Helen Keith,showing that the grantees were married in or before 1490. R. J. Adam says that it appears that John had made over the fee of Balnagown to hisson Alexander Ross, 6th of Balnagown, before the latter's untimely death at Aldecharwis in 1487, making it necessary to quickly arrange a protective marriage for David. Helen was probably born no earlier than 1470, meaning that she was clearly a child of Gilbert's marriage to Janet Graham. THE CALENDAR OF FEARN records Helen's death in May 1520. Through her marriage to Sir David Ross, Helen became an ancestor of the subsquent lairds of Balnagown as well as of the Rosses of Tollie/Achnacloich.

    "Altlhough Janet Graham's death date is not recorded, she was still alive on 7 May 1491, when she and her husband Gilbert Keith of Inverugy received a crown charter. RMS: 2030. According to SP 3: 565, Margaret (of Erroll) Hay married Sir Gilbert Keith, as her second husband, after 1486, that being the year in which her first husband Alexander Fraser, fourth of Philorth, died. Since Janet Graham was still married to Sir Gilbert on 7 May 1491, it is clear that Margaret Hay's marriage to himcould not have occurred until after that date and it seems unlikely that they had issue. Margaret subsequently married Robert Douglas of Lochleven circa 1500.

    The more recent sources of information on the Ogston family are A GENEALOGICAL HISTORY OF THE FAMILIES OF OGSTON, by Alexander Ogston,printed in 1876, and the same author's SUPPLEMENT to that work, printed in 1897. Neither compilation claims that Sir Gilbert and his Ogston wife had any children, and the earlier work says that their marriage occurred about 1470, a date which clearly cannot be supported in view of the fact that Sir Gilbert had by that time been married to Janet Graham for at least 15 years. If Alexander Ogston is off by at least 15 years on the date of the Ogstoun-Keith marriage, one cannot rely on either of his compilations, especially his speculation as to the bride's origins. "

    Douglas Hickling
    Dhhic@comcast.com
    516 Blair Avenue
    Piedmont CA 94611
    (August 2003)

    (Research):The Scots Peerage, Vol 2, p337, says that Mary, who married William Sinclair, 2nd Earl of Caithness, was the daughter of Sir William Keith of Inverugie.

    However, if you look at manuscripts.nls.uk/repositories/2/archival_objects/6100 there is an entry that says:
    "Indenture between William, 1st Earl of Caithness and his son, and Sir Gilbert Keith of Inverugie and Mary his daughter, 26 July 1477." which suggests that she was actually the daughter of Sir Gilbert Keith of Inverugie.

    Gilbert married Janet Graham before 16 Jun 1455. Janet (daughter of Patrick 1st Lord Graham and Christian (of Mar) Erskine) was born about 1440; died after 7 May 1491. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  7. 15.  Janet Graham was born about 1440 (daughter of Patrick 1st Lord Graham and Christian (of Mar) Erskine); died after 7 May 1491.
    Children:
    1. William (of Inverugie) Keith died after 24 May 1521.
    2. John (of Ludquharn) Keith died before 1492 in Dsp.
    3. Andrew (of Ludquharn) Keith died before 1500.
    4. Gilbert (of Pelcock) Keith and died.
    5. Elizabeth (of Inverugie) Keith was born about 1478; and died.
    6. 7. Janet (of Inverugie) Keith and died.
    7. Helen (of Inverugie) Keith was born after 1470; died in May 1520.



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