Malise married Marjory of Ross in 1334. Marjory (daughter of Hugh (4th\6th Earl of Ross) De Ross and Matilda\Maud Bruce) died after 1350. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: John (Earl of Warren & Surrey) De Warenne. John and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Sir William (Laird of Rosslyn) Sinclair. William (son of William (Sir) Sinclair and Rosabelle) was born about 1327; died about 1358 in Lithuania With The Teutonic Knights. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

"...that Mary of Strathearn, daughter of Malise 8th Earl of Strathearnand Marjory of Ross married John (of Drumsargard) Moray, but thismarriage came too late for her to have been the mother of Sir Maurice(9th Earl of Strathearn) Moray. The SP article cited next above at387-388 says that Maurice was more probably born from a prior wife of hisfather. It points out that Maurice was one of the Scottish leaders whoin 1335 rejected terms of peace offered by Edward III. The date of Maryof Strathearn's marriage to Maurice was between 1319 and 1322. Thearticle concludes on this point saying she could hardly have been themother of grown men in 1335. The article also points out that, whenMaurice had dispensation for his marriage to Joan Menteith, Countess ofStrathearn and widow of the 7th Earl, on 11 July 1339, no mention wasmade of the 7th Earl, who, if Mary was Maurice's mother, would have beenhis grandfather. I add the comment that Maurice's bride would also havebeen his stepgrandmother.

On this issue, SP 8:255-256 says that there is no evidence on which onecan validly determine the identity of Maurice's mother, and that thefacts indicate that she was probably an earlier wife of Maurice'sfather. It explains that the date of the marriage to John (ofDrumsargard) Moray can be established by the dates of various propertytransfers to him and to the heirs of Mary between 1318 and 1322. MauriceMoray is first named on record in 1335 as one of the leaders of thepatriotic party in Scotland, and he was among those who rejected terms ofpeace offered them by Edward III. A chronicler stated that in 1335,Maurice Moray slew Godfrey Ross because, through trickery, he had killedMaurice's brother in what was supposed to have been a fair fight. Itseems clear that, if Mary was Maurice's mother, he could not have beenborn until after 1318, which would have made him, at most, 16 years oldin 1335, hardly old enough to have revenged the slaying of a brother andto be serving as a political leader. Further, the article says that, on2 December 1336, King Edward Baliol of Scotland granted the barony ofDrumsargard and all the lands of Maurice de Moravia on the South of theFourth to Anthony de Lucy as Maurice was then an enemy and rebel. Thesefacts show that Maurice had probably already inherited his father'spossessions and was already a well-established landowner by 1336,indicating that he was of age and certainly not a teen-age boy. "

Doug Hickling
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SP= THE SCOTS PEERAGE
CP= The COMPLETE PEERAGE

Family/Spouse: Sir John (of Drumsargard) Moray. John and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Mary married John (of Drumsagard) Moray between 1318 and 1322. John and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Thomas (2nd Earl of Angus) Stewart. Thomas (son of John of Bonkyl (1st Earl of Angus) Stewart and Margaret De Abernethy) died in 1361 in Dumbarton Castle. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

See also Stirnet Genealogy at
'Sinclair01'
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ss4as/sinclair01.htm#drumm
Families covered: Sinclair of Caithness, Sinclair of Dun, Sinclair ofMey, Sinclair of Murchil, Sinclair of Orkney, Sinclair of Ratter,Sinclair of Roslin

Main sources: TSP (Orkney), BE1883 (Orkney), TSP (Caithness), BP1934(Caithness), TSP (Sinclair), BP1934 (Sinclair).

TSP = "The Scots Peerage", founded on Wood's Edition of Sir RobertDouglas's "Peerage of Scotland". Edited by Sir James Balfour Paul.Published 1908.

BE1883 = Burke's Extinct Peerage "Genealogical History of the Dormant,Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire by Burke"(1883 edition).
Copies of this are held in many of the larger public libraries in the UK."

BP1934 = Burke's Peerage and Baronetage ""A Genealogical and HeraldicHistory of the Peerage and Baronetage" by Sir Bernard Burke, 92ndedition. Published by Burke's Peerage Ltd in 1934."

Family/Spouse: Jean (of Dirleton Castle) Halyburton. Jean (daughter of Sir Walter (of Dirleton Castle) Halyburton and Marjory (Mary) Douglas) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Florentia of Denmark. Florentia and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

(Research):??? Maurice de Moravia, 1st Earl of Strathearn

Died:
Battle Of Nevilles Cross

Maurice married Joanna Menteith on 11 Jul 1339. Joanna (daughter of Sir John (of Rusky & Knapdale) De Menteith) died after 1366. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Margaret Stewart, 4th Countess of Angus (died 1417) was Countess of Angus and Lady Abernethy in her own right. Her father was Thomas Stewart, 2nd Earl of Angus.

She was the widow of Thomas, Earl of Mar.

By an illicit affair with William Douglas, 1st Earl of Douglas, husband of the Earl of Mar's sister, she became the mother of George Douglas, 1st Earl of Angus (c. 1380-1403), and secured a charter of her estates for her son, to whom in 1389 the title was granted by King Robert II. George was seen as the product of incest as Margaret was the widow of Earl William's wife's brother, Thomas, 13th Earl of Mar.

Family/Spouse: William (1st Earl of Douglas) Douglas. William (son of Sir Archibald (Regent) Douglas and Beatrix (of Crawford) De Lindsay) died in May 1384 in Douglas, Lanarkshire, Scotland; was buried in Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Margaret married Thomas (9th Earl of Mar) Mar about 1368. Thomas (son of Donald (8th Earl of Mar) Mar and Isabel (of Bonkyl) Stewart) died in 1374. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

When he died, the title passed to his sister, Margaret, who married the Earl of Mar, and the Earl of Douglas. The Earldom then continued down the Douglas line.

Family/Spouse: Margaret (of Mar) Erskine. Margaret and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Elizabeth married Alexander (of Ballencrieff & Innerwick) Hamilton in 1381. Alexander (son of John Fitzwalter Hamilton and Elizabeth (of Dreghorn) Stewart) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Sir John (of Cargill & Stobhall) Drummond. John (son of Sir John (of That Ilk) Drummond and Mary (Montifex) Montefichet) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Henry married Egidia (of Nithsdale) Douglas about 1407. Egidia (daughter of Sir William (Lord of Nithsdale) Douglas and Princess Egidia Stewart) was born about 1391; died about 1438. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Mary married Sir Thomas (of Linton & Carnwath) Somerville in 1407. Thomas (son of Thomas (Sir) Somerville) was born about 1370; died in Dec 1444. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

I believe that Beatrix Sinclair, who married James the Gross 7th Earl ofDouglas, whom you show as the daughter of Henry (2nd Earl of Orkney)Sinclair, was in fact the daughter of Henry (1st Earl of Orkney)Sinclair. SP, at 6:570-571, assigns her to the second Earl Henry but CP,at 4:435 note c, is unsure which Earl Henry was her father. This doubtseems to have been resolved by Andrew B. W. MacEwen in his article SomeCorrections to the Sinclair Pedigree, which appears in THE GENEALOGIST,volume 2 (1981), at 51-53. MacEwen says, with regard to her parentage,that

[t]his is not really a question, however, for the second Earl Henrymarried
a niece of James the Gross. Had Beatrix been a daughter of thismarriage,
she would have been her husbands grandniece (of the half blood),since
William (Sir) Douglas of Nithsdale was the natural son of Archibaldthe
Grim, 3rd Earl of Douglas. Such a relationship is inherentlyunlikely,
and two dispensations disprove it altogether. The sons of Beatrix,William
and James, the 8th and 9th Earls of Douglas, were successivehusbands
of their cousin Margaret, only daughter of Archibald, 5th Earl ofDouglas.
Her mother, Euphemia Graham, was a descendant of Robert II, whileher
father the 5th Earl was himself a grandson of Robert III.

The dispensations are dated 24 July 1444 and 27 February 1452/3, and
in each the relationship dispensed is the 2nd and 3rd ofconsanguinity
(representing the common descent from Archibald the Grim). Had
Countess Beatrix also been descended both from Robert II and from
Archibald the Grim, her sons would have been related to Margaret in
three additional ways (4th and 3rd, 4th and 4th, and 4th and 4th of
consanguinity), but this is clearly not the case. Beatrix was thus a
daughter of the first Earl Henry, slain in 1404, and she was probably
his youngest, or even posthumous, child.

From Douglas Hickling, Dhhic@comcast.net, 516 Blair Avenue, Piedmont, CA94611. 1 February 2002

SP=THE SCOTS PEERAGE was edited by James (Sir) Balfour Paul. 9 volumes.Volume 1 published in 1904 and volume 8 in 1911. Volume 9, before 1925(includes the index)

CP= THE COMPLETE PEERAGE
Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain & theUnited
Kingdom : by G. E. Cokayne (Hardcover - March 2001]

Beatrix married James (7th Earl of) (The Gross) Douglas before 7 Mar 1425 in Orkney, Scotland. James (son of Archibald (The Grim, 3rd Earl of Douglas) Douglas and Joan\Johana (of Strathearn) Moray) was born in 1370; died on 24 Mar 1442-1443. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Sir John (2nd of Corstorphine) Forrester. John (son of Adam (1st of Corstorphine) Forrester and Margaret) died in 1448. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: (Earl of Sutherland) De Moravia. (Earl and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Sir Thomas Moray. Thomas (son of Andrew (Sir) (of Bothwell) Moray and Christina (of Carrick) Bruce) died in 1361. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Joan\Johana married Archibald (The Grim, 3rd Earl of Douglas) Douglas in 1362. Archibald (son of Sir James "The Good" Douglas, Lord Of Douglas and Unknown) was born about 1346; died on 24 Dec 1400. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]