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- From Stirnet Genealogy athttp://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/xyz/zzmisc03.htm#ivo2
"The following connections are shown here for the moment (at least)whilst Ivo Taillebois is investigated further. His ancestry appears to beone of the most inconsistently reported on the Internet. Not helped bythe confusion over the identity of his wife Lucy, as mentioned justabove, he is variously described as:
(1) brother (possibly illegitimate) of a Count of Anjou. This is probablythe most common description (which is supported by BE1883 in its articleon the Lancaster family). Where the Count is named, most sources give hisname as Fulk - normally (as in BE1883) without specifying which Fulk butsometimes specifying one whose dates are obviously incompatible. The onlyFulks (indeed the only Count of Anjou) whose dates would reasonably workfor Ivo appear to be Fulk III 'the Black' (c956-1040), but only if he wasillegitimate, and possibly (given the uncertainty on Ivo's dates) Fulk IV'le Rechin' (1043-1109). A variation to this theme is that he was not ason but a grandson of a Count of Anjou, being grandson of Fulk III 'theBlack' through his daughter Adele, by Bodon (Eudes) de Nevers.
(2) an illegitimate son of Richard III, Duke of Normandy.
(3) son of an unidentified Richard FitzGerold. Some of the sources thatreport this give Ivo a family name of FitzRichard de Roumare. This isquestionable because it appears to assume a connection with RogerFitzGerold of Roumare even though that Roger was of the same generationas Ivo (as shown by the fact that Roger married Ivo's widow, Lucy - seeabove) and so any descent from a Gerold of Roumare would be very unlikelyto be through an intervening generation (Richard).
(4) "nephew of the Conqueror".
(5) a son (possibly illegitimate) of Gilbert (Gislebert) 'Crispin' deBrienne (1000-1040). [This would make Ivo a second cousin of theConqueror.] This connection seems unlikely because Ivo's wife Lucyappears to have been Gilbert Crispin's great-granddaughter as Gilbert'sdaughter Hesilia married William Malet, apparently the same William deMalet who appears to have been the father of Lucy's uncle Robert of Eye(see note under Lucy on 'Malet1') as well as possibly father of Lucy'smother (Beatrice?). However, the dates that are given for the peopleinvolved make it appear 'difficult' for all of these relationships tohave been practicable so this 'disproof' may itself not be correct !
Confirmation of the identity of Ivo's children is still being sought.Some web sites show him as having a daughter Lucy but this appears not tobe true (see comment on 'Malet1'). At least one web site states that hedied without issue and that his title and estates went to a brothercalled Gerard. However, the general consensus is that he did havesurviving children who themselves had children. One of the uncertaintiesconcerning his children is that, whilst many sites report him as fatherof Eldred (ancestor of the family of Lancaster) and some show him asfather of Aelfred (ancestor of the family of Radcliffe), very few showboth at the same time. Another possibility, that they were the sameperson with the Lancaster and Radcliffe family split coming a generationlater, seems not to have been suggested anywhere. Further investigationis required !
From Stirnet Genealogy athttp://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/xyz/zzmisc03.htm#ivo2
Ivo (de) Taillebois, Sheriff of Lincoln, lord of Kendal (b c1020 orc1040, d c1094)
m. Lucy (dau of either Algar, Earl of Mercia, or Thorold, Sheriff ofLincoln)
The following connections are shown here for the moment (at least) whilstIvo Taillebois is investigated further. His ancestry appears to be one ofthe most inconsistenty reported on the Internet. Not helped by theconfusion over the identity of his wife, as reported above, he isvariously described as:
(1) brother (possibly illegitimate) of a Count of Anjou. This is probablythe most common description (which is supported by BE1883 in its articleon the Lancaster family). Where the Count is named, most sources give hisname as Fulk - normally (as in BE1883) without specifying which Fulk butsometimes specifying one whose dates are obviously incompatible. The onlyFulk (indeed the only Count of Anjou) whose dates would reasonablycoincide with Ivo appears to be Fulk IV 'le Rechin' (1043-1109).
(2) an illegitimate son of Richard III, Duke of Normandy.
(3) son of an unidentified Richard FitzGerold. Some of the sources thatreport this give Ivo a family name of FitzRichard de Roumare. This isquestionable because it appears to assume a connection with RogerFitzGerold of Roumare even though that Roger was of the same generationas Ivo (as shown by the fact that Roger married Ivo's widow, Lucy - seeabove) and so any descent from a Gerold of Roumare would be very unlikelyto be through an intervening generation (Richard).
(4) "nephew of the Conqueror".
(5) a son (possibly illegitimate) of Gilbert (Gislebert) 'Crispin' deBrienne (1000-1040). [This would make Ivo a second cousin of theConqueror.] This connection seems unlikely because Ivo's wife Lucyappears to have been Gilbert Crispin's great-granddaughter as Gilbert'sdaughter Hesilia married William Malet, apparently the same William deMalet who appears to have been the father of Lucy's uncle Robert of Eye(see note under Lucy above) as well as possibly father of Lucy's mother(Beatrice?). However, the dates that are given for the people involvedmake it appear 'difficult' for all of these relationships to have beenpracticable so this 'disproof' may itself not be correct !
Confirmation of the identity of Ivo's children is still being sought.Some web sites show him as having a daughter Lucy but, as reported above,this appears not to be true. At least one web site states that he diedwithout issue and that his title and estates went to his brother Gerard.However, the general consensus is that he did have surviving children whothemselves had children. One of the uncertainies concerning his childrenis that, whilst many sites report him as father of Eldred (ancestor ofthe family of Lancaster) and some show him as father of Aelfred (ancestorof the family of Radcliffe), few show both at the same time whilst noneseen to date suggest that they were the same person. Furtherinvestigation is required !
Ivo (de) Taillebois, Sheriff of Lincoln, lord of Kendal (b c1020 orc1040, d c1094)
From Stirnet Genealogy (October 2003) athttp://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/xyz/zzmisc03.htm#ivo2
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