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Joan (of Mar) Douglas

Joan (of Mar) Douglas

Female - Yes, date unknown

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Joan (of Mar) Douglas (daughter of James (2nd Earl of Douglas) Douglas and Unknown Mother(s)); and died.

    Notes:

    or Mary
    Possibly an illegit. dau. of James, 2nd Earl of Douglas.

    Family/Spouse: William 5th Lord Dacre. William (son of Hugh (4th Lord Dacre) De Dacre and Elizabeth (of Carlaverock) Maxwell) died on 20 Jul 1388. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Thomas (of Gilsland) 6th Lord Dacre was born on 27 Oct 1387; died on 5 Jan 1457-1458.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  James (2nd Earl of Douglas) Douglas was born about 1358 (son of William (1st Earl of Douglas) Douglas and Margaret (Countess of Mar) Mar); died on 14 Aug 1388 in Otterburn, Northumberland, England; was buried in Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland.

    Notes:

    From Doug Hickling

    "You show that the wife of James (2nd Earl of Douglas) Douglas was Isabella (of Durisdeer) Stewart whereas both SP and CP say that she was Isabel Stewart, daughter of King Robert II by Eupheme of Ross, but the name of the spouse is irrelevant because James's sons and a daughter were all illegitimate! This is why he granted the lands of Drumlanrig to his bastard son William and why James, the second Earl, was succeeded by his cousin Archibald Douglas (the Grim), bastard son of James, Lord of Douglas, called the good James (Sir) who was in turn the son of William(Sir) (le Hardi) Douglas."


    SP=THE SCOTS PEERAGE edited by James (Sir) Balfour Paul
    CP=The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain andthe UK, Extant, Extinct or Dormant. By G.E.C, New edition, revised andmuch enlarged. Edited by The Hon. Vicary Gibbs, with the assistance of HArthur Doubleday. 1916, St Catherine Press London

    James + Unknown Mother(s). Unknown and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Unknown Mother(s) and died.

    Notes:

    Not necessarily the same mother
    Possibly a daughter Joan, or Mary, who married William, 5th Lord Dacre.

    Children:
    1. Sir William (1st Baron of Drumlanrig) Douglas died in 1421 in Battle In France.
    2. Archibald (of Cavers) Douglas died in 1435.
    3. Eleanor (of Douglas) Douglas was born about 1380; and died.
    4. 1. Joan (of Mar) Douglas and died.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  William (1st Earl of Douglas) Douglas (son of Sir Archibald (Regent) Douglas and Beatrix (of Crawford) De Lindsay); died in May 1384 in Douglas, Lanarkshire, Scotland; was buried in Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland.

    Notes:

    For the sources of information, see in this file under "INFORMATION,Sources of" and also "INFORMATION, General Clan Genealogy ".

    Which includes
    Royal and Noble Genealogical Data on the Web
    http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/
    Index to royal Genealogical Data - ordered by lastname" atwww.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/gedx.html
    Peerages in Order of Precedence atwww.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/peerage.html
    Author: Brian Tompsett
    This contains a huge amount of information including a great deal onBritish Peer's lineages, and Royal families of the many countries.
    &
    Stirnet Genealogy
    Families Database
    http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/genfam.htm
    This has a huge amount of information on hundreds (and rapidlyincreasing), mostly landed, families. It is more "user friendly" thanmost in that it shows many generations on one page.
    &
    BURKE'S Genealogical and Heraldic History of the PEERAGE BARONETAGE ANDKNIGHTAGE.
    Edited by Peter Townend. Burke's Peerage Limited, London
    "Burke's Peerage" popular name.

    Birth:
    C1323? C1327? Guesstimates vary

    William + Margaret (Countess of Mar) Mar. Margaret (daughter of Donald (8th Earl of Mar) Mar and Isabel (of Bonkyl) Stewart) died on 19 Oct 1393. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Margaret (Countess of Mar) Mar (daughter of Donald (8th Earl of Mar) Mar and Isabel (of Bonkyl) Stewart); died on 19 Oct 1393.
    Children:
    1. Isobel (Elizabeth) (Countess of Mar) Douglas died in 1408.
    2. Margaret (of Douglas) Douglas and died.
    3. 2. James (2nd Earl of Douglas) Douglas was born about 1358; died on 14 Aug 1388 in Otterburn, Northumberland, England; was buried in Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Sir Archibald (Regent) Douglas (son of Sir William 'Le Hardi' Douglas, 5th Lord Of Douglas and Eleanora De Lovaine); died on 19 Jul 1333 in Killed At Battle Of Halidon Hill.

    Notes:

    From Doug Hickling

    You show that Archibald (Sir) Douglas d: 1333 was the son of William (leHardi) Douglas and Elizabeth Steward. SP 3:140 shows that Archibald (Sir)was the son of William (le Hardi) by the latter's second wife, Eleanor ofLovain, widow of William de Ferrers, Lord of Groby. You show no marriagefor Archibald (Sir), but both SP 3:141 and CP 4:430 show that his wifewas Beatrice, daughter of Sir
    Alexander Lindsay of Crawford.

    Archibald + Beatrix (of Crawford) De Lindsay. Beatrix (daughter of Alexander (Sir) De Lindsay and Daughter B of Alexander Stewart) died before 1352. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Beatrix (of Crawford) De Lindsay (daughter of Alexander (Sir) De Lindsay and Daughter B of Alexander Stewart); died before 1352.
    Children:
    1. Eleanor Douglas was born before 1436; and died.
    2. 4. William (1st Earl of Douglas) Douglas died in May 1384 in Douglas, Lanarkshire, Scotland; was buried in Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland.

  3. 10.  Donald (8th Earl of Mar) Mar (son of Gratney \Garnait (7Th Earl of Mar) Mar and Christina (of Carrick) Bruce); died in 1332 in Battle Of Dupplin.

    Donald + Isabel (of Bonkyl) Stewart. Isabel (daughter of Sir John (of Bonkyl & Garlies) Stewart and Margaret Bonkyl) was born in 1280; died after 16 Jul 1351 in 1348. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  Isabel (of Bonkyl) Stewart was born in 1280 (daughter of Sir John (of Bonkyl & Garlies) Stewart and Margaret Bonkyl); died after 16 Jul 1351 in 1348.

    Notes:

    From Doug Hickling

    "As you will note from the Dunbar lineage I have emailed you and the
    supplemental Dunbar materials coming to you by priority mail, a fewchanges
    in your GEDCOM listings are in order. You list the mother of John (1stEarl
    of Moray) Dunbar as Black Agnes (of Moray) Randolph. In fact Black Agnesand her husband had no children and John (1st Earl of Moray) Dunbar wasthe son of Patrick (Sir) Dunbar, who married Isabella Randolph, who wasBlack Agnes' sister. Isabella (or Isobel or Isabel) Randolph and hersister Agnes were daughters of Thomas (Sir) Randolph, who became firstEarl of Moray, and his wife Isobel Stewart, daughter of John (Sir)Stewart of Bonkill by Margaret,
    heiress of Bonkhill. This is shown in SP 6:294-5. Thus neither of the
    Randolph sisters were descended from John/Thomas (3rd Earl of MorayRegent) Randolph and his spouse Euphemia de Ross. SP 6:295-7, says thatThomas, second Earl of Moray, left no issue and neither did his brotherJohn, 3rd Earl of Moray. So, Euphemia had no children by him and latermarried the man who became King Robert II and had children by him."

    Children:
    1. 5. Margaret (Countess of Mar) Mar died on 19 Oct 1393.
    2. Thomas (9th Earl of Mar) Mar died in 1374.



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