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Alan (2nd High Steward of Scotland) Fitzwalter

Alan (2nd High Steward of Scotland) Fitzwalter

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Alan (2nd High Steward of Scotland) Fitzwalter (son of Walter (1st Steward of Scotland) Fitzalan and Eschina (De Molle) De Londonius); died in 1204.

    Notes:

    For a listing of web sites that have the genealogy of family lines ofroyal houses, many noble houses and more, go to the entry "INFORMATION,Royal Houses family lines web sites" in this file.

    Family/Spouse: Alesta of Marr. Alesta (daughter of Morgund Earl of Marr) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Walter (3rd High Steward of Scotland) Fitzalan died in 1246 in Some Say 1241.
    2. David Stewart and died.
    3. Leonard Stewart and died.
    4. Aveline Fitzalan and died.

    Family/Spouse: Eva (of Crawford) Sweinsdottir. Eva (daughter of Sweyn (Overlord of Crawford) Thorson) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Aveline Fitzalan Stewart and died.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Walter (1st Steward of Scotland) Fitzalan (son of Alan Thane of Lochaber and Adelina of Oswestry); died in 1177.

    Notes:

    For a listing of web sites that have the genealogy of family lines ofroyal houses, many noble houses and more, go to the entry "INFORMATION,Royal Houses family lines web sites" in this file.

    His parents are sometimes shown as Alan FitzFleald (son of Flaald) & adaughter of (Sheriff of Shropshie) Warine. The is said to be a mistake inthe book "The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland" HRH Prince Michael ofAlbany, 2000. Element Books Ltd.. Shaftesbury, Dorest & Boston. Page 39,chapter 4. See below.

    However there are other opinions as shown in The Scottish HistoricalReview. Volume LXXVI, 2: No 202:October 1997. In the article "The LastChief: Dougal Stewart of Appin (died 1764) by Angus Stewart.
    ".. An Historical and Genealogical Account of the Royal Family ofScotland and Surname of Stewart", published in 1739.... As for the originof the Stewards the author conceded that Hector Boece's pedigree offourty generations through the thanes of Lochaber down to Fleance, son ofBanquo, was wholly non-historical; and he accepted as persuasive RichardHay's alternative version.

    Seventeen years earlier, in a masterly piece of historiographicalcriticism, Hay had demolished the notion of Gaelic ancestry, and hadsuggested that the Stewarts were probably of Norman-Breton stock. He hadfurther shown that the first High Steward or Stewart, Walter son of Alan,was likely to have arrived from south of the border, bringing with himfrom Wenlock the thirteen Cluniac monks who were to pray at Paisley forthe king of EnglandR. Alan Breck - who (like his distant cousins ofNorfolk and Arundel) was named ultimately, as we now know, for that firstAlan, sheriff of Shropshire, during the reign of Henry I." (page 221)

    The Scottish Historical Review, Edinburgh University Press for TheScottish Historical Review TruSt Twice yearly publication, April &October.
    (Volume LXXV,2: No. 200: October 1996. Supplement. Index to ScottishHistorical Reviews , volumes I-XXVI, 1903/4-1996)
    22 George Square, Edinburgh, EH8 9LF
    Tel: 44 (0) 131 650 6207
    Fax & answerphone: 44 (0) 131 662 0053
    E Mail journals@eup.ed.ac.uk www.eup.ed.ac.uk

    However in "The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland" it says:
    "The error which is often apparent in published charts occurs because,within thr ranks of King David's European nobles, Walter was styled "FitzAllan" (Son of Alan). It has been supposed, therefore , that his fathermust have been Alan the Breton Seneschal, but that is wrong. In makingsuch a presumption the whole chronology is upset, and a generation iscompletely missed; Walter's father was Alan of Lochaber, who married intoBreton succession.
    Through many decades, and especially since Victorian times, chartists andregistrars have been so preoccupied with drafting male lines that theimportance of wives and daughters was largely dismissed, Because of thismany family genealogies have been incorrectly published, and as far asthe Sewarts are concerned, the female so often ignored was Walter's ownmother, Adelina of Owestry, the daughter of Alan Fitz Flaad de Hesidin,Sheriff of Shropshire." (pages 39-40)

    Alan de Hesdin's father, Flaad, was Hereditary Steward of Dol inBrittany. In the early 1100's he was Baron of St Florent, Saumur (in thedioceses of Angers) his early forebears were the Counts of Brittany, whowere kin to the Merovingian Kings of the Franks. It is with Flaad and hiswife that the genealogical problems normally begin. Flaad was married toAveline, the daughter of Arnulf, Seigneur de Hesdin of Flanders; but somepeerage registers (R) .show Aveline quite erroneously , as the wife ofFlaad's son Alan., The fact is, however, that Alan Fitz Flaaad was bornwith the "de Hesdin" distinction readily inherited from his mother,Aveline (Ava) of Picardy. Her status is confirmed in Cartulary of StGeorge, Hesdin.(R)

    When Aveline's father Arnulf (brother of Count Enguerrand de Hesdin) ,joined the Crusade in 1090, Aveline became his nominated deputy inEngland. She was known as the 'Domina de Norton' (of Norton) , and herson Alan Fitz Flaad was Baron of Owestry during the reign of Henry !. Ascorrectly detailed in Chalmers' Caledonia (1807), Alan was married toAdeliza, daughter and heiress of Sheriff Warine of Shropshie, therbyinheriting that same office." (pages 39-40)
    "The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland" HRH Prince Michael of Albany,2000. Element Books Ltd.. Shaftesbury, Dorest & Boston..
    'FitzAlan1' Index links to: Top / Section / Letter
    Families covered: FitzAlan of Arundel, FitzAlan of Dol, FitzAlan ofOswestry

    Below is his ancesrty as shown by Stirnet Genealogy athttp://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ff/fitzalan1.htm
    Alan 'Dapifer', hereditary Steward of Dol (in Brittany, a 1045)
    1. Alan, hereditary Steward of Dol (a 1097)
    2. Flaald (or Flathald), hereditary Steward of Dol (in Wales in 1101)
    A Alan FitzFlaald, lord of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shropshire (a 1121)
    m. Aveline (dau of Arnulf, seigneur de Hesdin in Picardy)
    i. Jordan, hereditary Steward of Dol (a 1130)
    m. William Epine, hereditary Steward of Dol
    ii. William FitzAlan, lord of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shropshire (d 1160)
    m1. Christian (niece of Robert FitzRoy, Earl of Gloucester)
    a. Christian
    m. Hugh Pantulf
    m2. Isabel de Say (dau of Elias de Say, Lord of Clun) b. WilliamFitzAlan, lord of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shropshire (d 1212-13)
    (1) William FitzAlan (d 1213-14)
    m. Mary (dau of Thomas de Erington)
    (A) William FitzAlan (dsp)
    (2) John FitzAlan, lord of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shropshire (b c1164,d 1239)
    m1. Isabel de Albini (dau of William de Albini, 3rd Earl of Arundel)(3) Walter FitzAlan, 1st Hereditary Steward of Scotland (d 1177)
    m. Eschynne de Molle (dau of Thomas de Lundins) (A) AlanFitzWalter, 2nd Hereditary Steward of Scotland (d 1204)

    Walter + Eschina (De Molle) De Londonius. Eschina (daughter of Thomas De Lundins and Eschelyn De Molle) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Eschina (De Molle) De Londonius (daughter of Thomas De Lundins and Eschelyn De Molle); and died.
    Children:
    1. 1. Alan (2nd High Steward of Scotland) Fitzwalter died in 1204.
    2. Marjory Fitzalan and died.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Alan Thane of Lochaber was born about 1088 (son of Walter Thane (Mormaer) of Lochaber and Emma Fitzalan); died in 1153.

    Alan + Adelina of Oswestry. Adelina (daughter of Alan ( De Hesdin Sheriff Shropshire) Fitz Flaald and Adeliza Warine) was born about 1105; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Adelina of Oswestry was born about 1105 (daughter of Alan ( De Hesdin Sheriff Shropshire) Fitz Flaald and Adeliza Warine); and died.
    Children:
    1. Simon (Jordon) Dapifer of Dol Fitzalan and died.
    2. 2. Walter (1st Steward of Scotland) Fitzalan died in 1177.

  3. 6.  Thomas De Lundins (son of William (Sir)(of Ogmore & Kidwelly ) De Londres); and died.

    Thomas + Eschelyn De Molle. Eschelyn (daughter of Uchtred De Molle) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Eschelyn De Molle (daughter of Uchtred De Molle); and died.
    Children:
    1. Philip (Chamberlain) De Londoniis of Lundin and died.
    2. Malcolm 1st Doorward (De Molle) De Londonius and died.
    3. 3. Eschina (De Molle) De Londonius and died.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Walter Thane (Mormaer) of Lochaber was born about 1045 (son of Fleance and Nest Ferch Gruffydd); died in 1093 in Alnwick, Northumberland, England.

    Walter + Emma Fitzalan. Emma (daughter of (Dapifer Hereditary Steward of Dol) Alan) was born before 1070; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Emma Fitzalan was born before 1070 (daughter of (Dapifer Hereditary Steward of Dol) Alan); and died.
    Children:
    1. 4. Alan Thane of Lochaber was born about 1088; died in 1153.

  3. 10.  Alan ( De Hesdin Sheriff Shropshire) Fitz Flaald (son of (Fledaldus Baron of St Florent) Flaad and Aveline\Ava (of Picardy) De Hesden); died about 1122.

    Notes:

    His wife is sometimes shown as Aveline de Hesdin . The is said to be amistake, and that she was actually his mother, in the book "TheForgotten Monarchy of Scotland" HRH Prince Michael of Albany, 2000.Element Books Ltd.. Shaftesbury, Dorest & Boston. Page 40, chapter 4. Itsaws "Her status is confirmed in Cartulary of St George, Hesdin." Seebelow.

    However there are other opinions as shown in The Scottish HistoricalReview. Volume LXXVI, 2: No 202:October 1997. In the article "The LastChief: Dougal Stewart of Appin (died 1764) by Angus Stewart.
    ".. An Historical and Genealogical Account of the Royal Family ofScotland and Surname of Stewart", published in 1739.... As for the originof the Stewards the author conceded that Hector Boece's pedigree offourty generations through the thanes of Lochaber down to Fleance, son ofBanquo, was wholly non-historical; and he accepted as persuasive RichardHay's alternative version.

    Seventeen years earlier, in a masterly piece of historiographicalcriticism, Hay had demolished the notion of Gaelic ancestry, and hadsuggested that the Stewarts were probably of Norman-Breton stock. He hadfurther shown that the first High Steward or Stewart, Walter son of Alan,was likely to have arrived from south of the border, bringing with himfrom Wenlock the thirteen Cluniac monks who were to pray at Paisley forthe king of EnglandR. Alan Breck - who (like his distant cousins ofNorfolk and Arundel) was named ultimately, as we now know, for that firstAlan, sheriff of Shropshire, during the reign of Henry I." (page 221)



    The Scottish Historical Review, Edinburgh University Press for TheScottish Historical Review TruSt Twice yearly publication, April &October.
    (Volume LXXV,2: No. 200: October 1996. Supplement. Index to ScottishHistorical Reviews , volumes I-XXVI, 1903/4-1996)
    22 George Square, Edinburgh, EH8 9LF
    Tel: 44 (0) 131 650 6207
    Fax & answerphone: 44 (0) 131 662 0053
    E Mail journals@eup.ed.ac.uk www.eup.ed.ac.uk

    However in "The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland" it says
    "The error which is often apparent in published charts occurs because,within thr ranks of King David's European nobles, Walter was styled "FitzAllan" (Son of Alan). It has been supposed, therefore , that his fathermust have been Alan the Breton Seneschal, but that is wrong. In makingsuch a presumption the whole chronology is upset, and a generation iscompletely missed; Walter's father was Alan of Lochaber, who married intoBreton succession.
    Through many decades, and especially since Victorian times, chartists andregistrars have been so preoccupied with drafting male lines that theimportance of wives and daughters was largely dismissed, Because of thismany family genealogies have been incorrectly published, and as far asthe Sewarts are concerned, the female so often ignored was Walter's ownmother, Adelina of Owestry, the daughter of Alan Fitz Flaad de Hesidin,Sheriff of Shropshire." (pages 39-40)

    Alan de Hesdin's father, Flaad, was Hereditary Steward of Dol inBrittany. In the early 1100's he was Baron of St Florent, Saumur (in thedioceses of Angers) his early forebears were the Counts of Brittany, whowere kin to the Merovingian Kings of the Franks. It is with Flaad and hiswife that the genealogical problems normally begin. Flaad was married toAveline, the daughter of Arnulf, Seigneur de Hesdin of Flanders; but somepeerage registers (R) .show Aveline quite erroneously , as the wife ofFlaad's son Alan., The fact is, however, that Alan Fitz Flaaad was bornwith the "de Hesdin" distinction readily inherited from his mother,Aveline (Ava) of Picardy. Her status is confirmed in Cartulary of StGeorge, Hesdin.(R)

    When Aveline's father Arnulf (brother of Count Enguerrand de Hesdin) ,joined the Crusade in 1090, Aveline became his nominated deputy inEngland. She was known as the 'Domina de Norton' (of Norton) , and herson Alan Fitz Flaad was Baron of Owestry during the reign of Henry !. Ascorrectly detailed in Chalmers' Caledonia (1807), Alan was married toAdeliza, daughter and heiress of Sheriff Warine of Shropshie, therbyinheriting that same office." (pages 39
    "The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland" HRH Prince Michael of Albany,2000. Element Books Ltd.. Shaftesbury, Dorest & Boston

    Alan + Adeliza Warine. Adeliza (daughter of (Sheriff of Shropshire) Warine) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  Adeliza Warine (daughter of (Sheriff of Shropshire) Warine); and died.
    Children:
    1. 5. Adelina of Oswestry was born about 1105; and died.

  5. 12.  William (Sir)(of Ogmore & Kidwelly ) De Londres (son of Simon De Londres); and died.
    Children:
    1. 6. Thomas De Lundins and died.

  6. 14.  Uchtred De Molle and died.
    Children:
    1. 7. Eschelyn De Molle and died.



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