Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Philip De Setun and died.

Notes:

Secher, son of Dougall de Seton and Janet daughter of Quincy Earl ofWinchester, is reported by BLG1850 (Seton of Carish). It must bequestioned not least because the first Quincy to be made Earl ofWinchester, Saier, died in 1219 which makes the dates look very unlikely.The 'setonfamily' web site referred to below identifies her just as aQuincy heiress without any suggestion that her father was Earl ofWinchester. TSP and BP1934 both start with ...
A. Alexander de Seaton (a 1150) probably father of ...
i. Philip de Setun (a 1177)

From Stirnet Genealogy athttp://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ss4as/seton01.htm

Main sources:
(1) TSP (Winton), BP1934 (Eglinton).
(2) BLG1850 (Seton of Carish). This not only contains specificinformation about the very early generations that is disputed orconsidered uncertain by TSP & BP1934 but also contains information aboutthe generations around the early Lords that contradicts those othersources, which are thought to be more reliable.
(3) www.setonfamily.com

Dougall + Janet (of Winchester??) De Quincy. Janet (daughter of Saher\ Sahier (Earl of Winchester) De Quincy and Margaret (Fitzpernel) De Beaumont) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Stirnet Genealogy athttp://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/continent/bb/bzvar01.htm

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Lambert de Boulogne-sur-Mer, Count of Lens (d Phalampin 1054)
m. (1053/4) Adelaide of Normandy (b c1030, d 1081/4, dau of Robert 'theDevil', Duke of Normandy)
a. Judith of Lens &E
m. (1070) Waltheof, Earl of Huntingdon (d 1073/31.05.1076) &E
www.setonfamily.com suggests that Lambert was also father of ...
b. Saier de Lens de Seton
c. Walter de Lens de Bedford
(1) Winemar de Lens 'the Fleming'

http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/continent/bb/bzvar01.htm
Main sources:
(1) for Bayeux - 'Mathematical'.
(2) for Boulogne - 'GenEU'.

www.mathematical.com
" 'MATHS' or 'Mathematical' - for an impressive site by Charles DeanDruit in which his family tree is only one of several interests shown(and is rather hidden at present). ..."
Index at
http://www.mathematical.com/alphabetindex.html

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Stirnet Genealogy athttp://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ss4as/seton01.htm
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The early generations of this family are difficult to ascertain with anycertainty. It appears that, probably a long time ago, a Seton pedigreewas produced that has since been reported by various sources (includingBLG1850 and some modern web sites). Various parts of that pedigree havebeen rejected by some modern genealogists (including TSP and BP1934) forit mixed-up different branches of the family and sometimes showedbrothers & cousins as fathers & sons. The following attempts to makesense of the matter, relying heavily on TSP (Winton) and BP1934(Eglinton) neither of which show the opening connection which appears tohave come from the old pedigree (although it is not reported by BLG1850but comes from the 'setonfamily' web site identified below).
Saier de Lens de Seton
www.setonfamily.com reports that Saier de Lens was father of Walter deLens also known as Walter the Fleming also known as ...
Dougall de Seton (a temp Alexander I who d 1124)
m. Janet de Quincy (?? dau of Quincy, Earl of Winchester)
1. Secher (or Saier) de Seton
Secher, son of Dougall de Seton and Janet daughter of Quincy Earl ofWinchester, is reported by BLG1850 (Seton of Carish). It must bequestioned not least because the first Quincy to be made Earl ofWinchester, Saier, died in 1219 which makes the dates look very unlikely.The 'setonfamily' web site referred to below identifies her just as aQuincy heiress without any suggestion that her father was Earl ofWinchester. TSP and BP1934 both start with ...
A. Alexander de Seaton (a 1150) probably father of ...

Notes:

Brian Tompsett at:
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal29925
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal38255
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal13074

Directory of Royal Genealogical Data
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/
Peerages in Order of Precedence
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/peerage.html
Master Index to royal Genealogical Data - ordered by lastname
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/gedx.html
& the older version
Author: Brian Tompsett
Royal and Noble genealogy Copyright (c) 1994 - 1999
This contains a huge amount of information including a great deal
on British Peer's lineages. And Royal families of the many countries
Plus various ways to search the database.
This is part of Royal and Noble Genealogical Data on the Web at
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/gedcom.html,

Saher\ + Margaret (Fitzpernel) De Beaumont. Margaret (daughter of Robert (3rd Earl of Leicester) De Beaumont and Petronil Or Petronilla Or Patronil De Grentemesn) died in 1235. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]