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John Munro

John Munro

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  John Munro (son of Robert (8th of Foulis) Munro and (of Costorfine) Forester); and died.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Robert (8th of Foulis) Munro (son of George (7th of Foulis) Munro and (of Balnagowan) Ross); died in 1369 in Killed.

    Notes:

    Peter Barns-Graham of Stirnet Genealogy has pointed out ' According toTSP, Adam Forrester (Provost of Edinburgh) did not acquire Corstorphineuntil 1376. Whilst it is possible that he bought it from an earlierForrester family, it would be presumptuous of me to assume that."

    I am not sure about this one. The 1734 manuscript says "Robert Munro ofFowlis married Forester daughter of the Laird of Costorfine by whom hehad..." (page 3).

    I had assumed Forester was her last name but maybe it was her first, bitof an odd first name, but possible I suppose. Either way given R WMunro's warnings about the accuracy of the earlier generations maybe theunknown compiler of the manuscript made some assumptions.
    In R W Munro's he talks about charters mentioning Robert, grants oflands, etc. but no comment on his wife.

    Robert + (of Costorfine) Forester. (of and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  (of Costorfine) Forester and died.
    Children:
    1. Hugh (9th of Foulis) Munro died in 1425.
    2. Thomas Munro and died.
    3. 1. John Munro and died.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  George (7th of Foulis) Munro (son of George (of Foulis) Munro and Daughter (of Sutherland) De Moravia); died on 22 Jul 1333 in Killed At Battle Of Halidon Hill.

    Notes:

    "The Munro Tree (1734)" "A Genealogy and Chronology of the Munro's ofFoulis and other Families of the Clan." A manuscript compiled in 1734edited with Introduction and Notes by R.W Munro. Printed for subscribers, Edinburgh 1978 (Page 3)
    "Geoge Munro of Follis married a daughter of Balnagownes..."

    George + (of Balnagowan) Ross. (of and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  (of Balnagowan) Ross and died.

    Notes:

    Her first name not known.

    For a while I had her tentatively as Jean (of Balnagowan) Ross daughterof Hugh (1st of Balnagown) Ross who is shown as marrying Robert (8th ofFoulis) Munro, killed 1369, in "The Earls of Ross and Their Descendants"(page 8)
    But The Munro Tree (1734)" (Page 3) shows Robert's father "George Munroof Follis married a Daughter of Balnagownes by whom he had Robert..."
    Robert would not be the first to marry a sister or niece of hisstep-mother, so it is not impossible, but there might be a generationalproblem as show below:

    This would mean that 1st of Balnagown's
    great great grandson married his
    great great great great granddaughter

    George (10th of Foulis) Munro, killed at Belach naborge1452
    Married secondly Isobel (of Balnagowan) Ross daughter of
    Alexander (6th of Balnagown) Ross, Killed in battle at Allt Charrais(Aldecharwis) 1487
    (6 Generations from 1st of Balnagowan)

    George (7th of Foulis) Munro, Killed July 22, 1333
    Married Jean (of Balnagowan) Ross
    daughter of Hugh (1st of Balnagown) Ross, died Bef. June 1371
    (4 Generations from 7th of Foulis)

    Douglas Hickling points out:
    "I think it important to remember R. W.'s advice on page ii that it is
    not wise to take seriously the information contained in the pedigree
    regarding the first ten generations, which would be through George Munro
    J. As you know, the 1734 pedigree says that George J married a "Daughterof Balnagownes" and was later killed defending the king and country in1333.

    Hugh Ross of Rarichies and lst of Balnagowan was the son of Hugh 5th
    Earl of Ross by the Earl's second wife, Margaret Graham, daughter of Sir
    David Graham of Montrose. Earl Hugh's first wife, whom he married in
    1308, was Lady Maud (Matilda) Bruce, sister of King Robert I. According
    to Alison Weir, who agrees that Maud was Hugh's first wife, Maud died
    between 1323 and 1329. The latter date coincides with the date of the
    papal dispensation for Earl Hugh's second marriage, which, according to
    F. N. Reid's THE EARLS OF ROSS, at 4, was "long after they were married."

    If we assume that Earl Hugh remarried in 1323, the earliest year in
    which his first wife may have died, their son Hugh Ross, later ofRarichies and Balnagowan, could not have been born until 1324 or laterand, in turn, his daughter Jean would not have been born until 1345 andprobably later. Since George Munro of Foulis J was killed in 1333, atleast a dozen years before Jean was born, he must be ruled out as Jean's
    spouse.

    Although I sometimes disagree with Some of Alexander Mackenzie's
    scholarship, I do think that here he and F. N. Reid are probably right
    in making Jean Ross the first wife of Robert Munro.

    I would be inclined not to guess at the identification of the spouse of
    George Munro J. Mackenzie says that George married a daughter of Hugh,
    Earl of Ross, but he gives no support for that statement and neither F.
    N. Reid nor the more recent, but less well-documented, HISTORY OF THE
    CLAN ROSS by Alexander M. Ross provides any support for a union between
    George Munro J and a daughter of Earl Ross. Martine of Clermont in his
    Munro pedigree written between 1673 and 1697, a manuscript which is
    discussed by R. W. Munro at, i - ii and which was published in 1900 by
    Walter Macfarlane in his GENEALOGICAL COLLECTIONS, is silent as to thename of George's wife.

    From
    Douglas Hickling
    Dhhic@comcast.com
    516 Blair Avenue
    Piedmont CA 94611
    (September 2003)

    Children:
    1. 2. Robert (8th of Foulis) Munro died in 1369 in Killed.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  George (of Foulis) Munro (son of Robert (6th of Foulis) Munro); died in 1314 in Battle Of Bannockburn. Dvp.

    Notes:

    "The Munro Tree (1734)" "A Genealogy and Chronology of the Munro's ofFoulis and other Families of the Clan." A manuscript compiled in 1734edited with Introduction and Notes by R.W Munro. Printed for subscribers, Edinburgh 1978 (Page 3)

    I show him as "dvp" because in R W Munro's rendering of the manuscript itsays his father Robert "went to Bannockburn quher his son George wasslain." (page 3).

    The 1734 manuscript says "GEORGE Munro of Foulis married a Daughter ofKenneth Earle of Sutherland by whom he had a son George who succeeded hewas killed in Defence of his King and Countrie at the battle ofBannockburn 1314." (page 3)

    Note: However R W Munro comments "...Munro chiefs said to have fallen atBannockburn and Halidon Hill in 1314 and 1333 (for whom historicalevidence is lacking)..." (page v, R W Munro).

    He also says that the first eight generations (Georgius de Munro 1101 toGeorge (of Foulis) Munro 1314) are suspect. They first appear in the1734 manuscript. Older versions, one by a Fife laird, Martine ofClertmont (1635-1712) and "also a short Munro genealogy compiled in1663, covering four generations of Foulis line from Sir William to Robertmor" (pages i-ii), do not cover the gap between George (7th of Foulis)Munro & "Donald lawful son of Chief of O can (Oran) in Ireland." (page"Notes on the Title", before page 1).

    "So far as I know, the MS printed in this book is the earliest and indeedthe sole authority of the eight generations - or at least eightindividuals- named between the founder Donald and the chief George saidto have been killed in 1333."..."It must be acknowledged that documentaryproof of these intervening generations is entirely lacking; severalcogent reasons can be advanced for not accepting them as authentic,..."(Page ii, R W Munro)
    "These first ten generations, therefore, with all their names and datesand other attendant details, should not be taken too seriously, and cancertainly not be regarded as an established fact..."(Page ii, R W Munro).Munro suggest that that part of the 1734 manuscript is probably based onoral tradition and conjecture.
    Munro says "From 1369 onwards the Munro genealogy can be fully supportedby contemporary evidence,..." (Page iii).

    George + Daughter (of Sutherland) De Moravia. Daughter (daughter of Kenneth (4th Earl of Sutherland) De Moravia and Marjory\Mary of Mar) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Daughter (of Sutherland) De Moravia (daughter of Kenneth (4th Earl of Sutherland) De Moravia and Marjory\Mary of Mar); and died.
    Children:
    1. 4. George (7th of Foulis) Munro died on 22 Jul 1333 in Killed At Battle Of Halidon Hill.



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