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of Ireland (Geodnaid) Erc

of Ireland (Geodnaid) Erc

Female Abt 425 - Yes, date unknown

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  of Ireland (Geodnaid) Erc was born about 425 (daughter of Eochaid (King Arthur) Muin-Remor King Loarn and Pictish Princess?); and died.

    Notes:

    For a listing of web sites that have the genealogy of family lines ofroyal houses, many noble houses and more, go to the entry "INFORMATION,Royal Houses family lines web sites" in this file.

    David Dale makes the case that Erc was female not male. In addition hesays:

    "Chapter 11 : The Senchus Fer n' Alban
    The Senchus Fer n' Alban is probably the oldest document available to us,and since it begins with the line of Erc, most historians date the adventof Scottish settlement with the Mac Erc dynasty. However the Senchus doesnot claim to be a comprehensive history, instead it states quite clearlythat;
    "here begins the abbreviated history of the men of Scotland"
    Thus quite clearly we can identify that much information is missing fromit : as an abbreviated history there would be very little point indiscussing overthrown dynasties, land changes, settlement patterns or soon. All we can say for certain is that the Mac Erc dynasty was the royallineage of the Scots in the 7th century and their story is as follows;
    "Two sons of Eochaid Muin-remor, namely Erc and Olchu. And Erc had twelvesons, six of them took possession of Scotland :- two Loarns, Loarn Becand Loarn Mor; and two sons of {Nes}, Mac Misi Bec and Mac Misi Mor; twosons Fergus Bec and Fergus Mor. Six others were in Ireland, namelyMac-Deichill; Angus, whose descendants are in Scotland; Enda, Bressal,Fiachra, Dubtach, Others say that Erc had another son whose name wasMuiredach."

    From "THE HISTORY OF THE SCOTS, THE PICTS AND THE BRITONS"
    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidDale1/Hisco.htm
    DAVID F. DALE
    e-mail : DavidDale1@compuserve.com
    David Dale has done vast amount of research and has produced an excellent
    report, which I would highly recommend to anyone interested.

    He also says in chapter "12.3 Erc, Loarn and Eochaid Muin-Remor":
    "...modern historians (it is after all a 10th Century copy of an ancienttract) which must have been subjected to wear over so many years, made amistake interpreting Mac (son of) instead of Nic (daughter of). Erccould, in fact, realistically be the mother of at least 12 sons, possiblyeven more children, by different fathers as both men and women practisedPolygamy in the pagan world of the Celt - no-one has, as yet, proved thatErc was Christian (No doubt some Celtic monk would have "cleaned up" thetale of how Erc had her children by the various fathers). It is possiblethat Sallen could have fathered children of Erc before her so-called"elopement" with Prince Muiredach - which would have meant that theChristian annalists could have had to substitute a supposed "sister"Pompa into the tales, in order to cleanse the image of the ancestor of somany Irish saints."
    From "THE HISTORY OF THE SCOTS, THE PICTS AND THE BRITONS"
    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidDale1/Hisco.htm
    DAVID F. DALE

    IRISH ORIGINS from

    MILESIAN GENEALOGIES . from the Annals of the Four Masters.
    Kindness of Pat Traynor athttp://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/history/milesian.html

    "Adam through Kings of Ireland and Scotland To English Lines"
    at Southern Style web site at
    http://www.southern-style.com/adam_through_kings_of_ireland_an.htm

    "Ancient Uladh. Kingdom of Ulster". In "Irelands History in Maps"
    By Dennis Walsh (walshdw@ix.netcom.com) Very extensive information.
    "With a Special Focus on Ancient and Medieval Irish Tribes and Septs."
    At http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/kilkenny/2/ulster.htm

    Jim Kinsella (jim@kinsella.org) Ancient Kinsella Lineage
    http://kinsella.org/history/famline.htm
    "Information taken from O'Hart's "Irish Pedigrees"
    and Rev. P.L.O'Toole's "History of the Clan O'Toole" "
    The Kinsella Homepage http://www.kinsella.org/

    Ancient Irish Royalty by Richard Michael Finn
    Very thorough. ( dennis@iwindow.com )
    http://www.rich.finn.com/ancient.html

    Family/Spouse: (Mac Misi) Nes. (Mac and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Fergus Mor (Mac Misi Mor) Mac Erc King of Scots died in 501 in Killed.
    2. Domangart Mac Misi Bec (Nechtan?) King of Alba died in 506.

    Family/Spouse: Loarn. and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Loarn Bec and died.
    2. Loarn Mor King of Dal Riada\ Scots and died.

    Family/Spouse: Fergus (Fearguso?) Cennfota O'n?ill. Fergus (son of Conall Gulban, son of Conall Gulban Macn?ill) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Fergus Bec
    2. Fergus Mor ?Angus (Mac Feradach) King of Scots

    Family/Spouse: Muiredach Mace?gain O'n?ill. Muiredach (son of Eoghan (King of Ailech) Macn?ill) died about 506. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Muirchertach Macercae O'n?ill King of Ireland died in 533 in Or 1St Nov 527 Burned After Being Drowned In A Vat Of Wine.
    2. Aedh (Cenel Mac Earca) Uairidhnach died in 612.
    3. Mac-Deichill of Ireland and died.
    4. Angus and died.
    5. Enda of Ireland and died.
    6. Bressal of Ireland and died.
    7. Fiarchra of Ireland and died.
    8. Dubtach of Ireland and died.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Eochaid (King Arthur) Muin-Remor King Loarn (son of ?engus Fert King of Dal Riata); died in Drowned By Grandson Muirchertach Macercae.

    Notes:

    "Ancient Uladh. Kingdom of Ulster". In "Irelands History in Maps"
    By Dennis Walsh at http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/kilkenny/2/ulster.htm

    "Dal Riada - in descent from Cairbre Rioghfhoda, in the line of Heremon.Dal Riata was the tribal and territorial name of the early tribes ofCounty Antrim, particularly the northeast portion. The Dal Riada extendedtheir kingdom into Scotland probably during the 3rd to the 7th centuries.The early term that the Romans referred to these and other tribes inIreland was the "Scoti", thus the legend of where Scotland received itsname.
    An early genealogy of Dal Riata cites their common ancestor, Glass, a quosunt S?l Cuind & D?l Riata & Ulaid & Laigin & Ossairgi. His lineage isstated as:
    Glass mac Nuadait Argatl?m of clan ?gaine Mor.


    The Book of Ballymote provides this ancient list of Irish kings of DalRiata: Aengus Turmech (of Tara), Fiachu Fer-mara, Ailill Erand, Feradach,Forgo, Maine, Arnail, Ro-Thrir, Trir, Ro-Sin, Sin, Dedad, Iar, Ailill,Eogan, Eterscel, Conaire Mor, Daire Dornmor, Coirpre Crom-chend,Mug-lama, Conaire Coem, Coirpre Riata (Cairbre Rioghfhoda), Cindtai,Guaire, Cince, Fedlimid Lamdoit, Fiachu Tathmael, Eochaid Antoit, Aithir,Laithluaithi, Sen-chormac, Fedlimid, Angus Buaidnech, FedlimidAislingthe, Angus, Eochaid Muin-remor, Erc, Fergus [Mor mac Earca of 501AD].

    An ancient lineage of the Dal Riata is cited as:
    ?engus Teamrach (81st Monarch), father of Fiachu Fer-mara, father ofAilill ?rann, father of Feradach, father of Forgo, father of Maine M?r,father of Arndail, father of Rothrer, father of Trer, father of Ro-Sin,father of Sin, father of Dedad, father of Iar, father of AilillAnglonnach, father of ?ogan, father of Etersc?l (95th Monarch), father ofConaire M?r (97th Monarch), father of Cairpre Finn M?r, father of D?ireDornm?r, father of Cairpre Crommchenn , father of Lugaid Allathach,father of Mogh Lamha, father of Conaire, father of Eochaid (CairpreRiata), father of Fiachra Cathm?il, father of Eochaid Ant?it, father ofAchir Cirre, father of Finn Fiacc, father of Cruithluithe, father ofSenchormac, father of Fedelmid Ruamnach, father of ?engus Buaidnech,father of Fedlimid Aislingthe, father of ?engus Fert, father of EochaidMuinremar, father of Erc, father of Fergus M?r mac Earca."

    Eochaid + Pictish Princess?. Pictish and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Pictish Princess? and died.
    Children:
    1. 1. of Ireland (Geodnaid) Erc was born about 425; and died.
    2. (Erc) Erp was born about 420 in To 430; and died.
    3. (of Muirbolg) Olchu and died.
    4. Pompa and died.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  ?engus Fert King of Dal Riata (son of Fedlimid Aisling The King of Dal Riata); and died.
    Children:
    1. 2. Eochaid (King Arthur) Muin-Remor King Loarn died in Drowned By Grandson Muirchertach Macercae.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Fedlimid Aisling The King of Dal Riata (son of ?engus Buaidnech King of Dal Riata); and died.
    Children:
    1. 4. ?engus Fert King of Dal Riata and died.



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