Notes:

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Family/Spouse: Fedlim. (daughter of Bruim) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Gabhran of Argyll Macdomangairt King of Scots died about 559.
2. Gomgall (Conall Or Constantine Ii) King of Scots died in 537.

Notes:

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"Fergus Erc's son was another name of Mac Misi Mor. He had one sonDomangart, Domangart had two sons Gabran and Comgall, both sons ofFedlim, daughter of Briun, son of Eochaid Muigmedon. Comgall had one sonConall. Conall had seven sons :-
Loingsech, Nechtan, Artan, Tuathan, Tutio, Coirpre, Gabran had five sons:-
Aed Find [Aidan], Eogan, Cuiltech, Donald, Domangart. Aed Find [Aidan]had seven sons :-
two Eochaids, Eochaid Buide and Eochaid Find; Tuathal, Bran, Baithine,Conaing, Gartnait Eochaid Buide, Aidan's son had eight son's:-
Donald Brecc and Donald Dond, and Conall Crandoma, Conall Bregg, ConnadCerr, Failbe, Domangart, Cu-Cen-Mathir."

From DAVID F. DALE "THE HISTORY OF THE SCOTS, THE PICTS AND THE BRITONS"
at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidDale1/Hisco.htm

e-mail : DavidDale1@compuserve.com

He goes on to point out
"According to the Scottish legends Fergus Mor Mac Erc was said to havereceived the stone of destiny from his brother Muiredach, who was HighKing of Ireland. From a simple process of deduction Muiredach's parentErc would have to be the progenitor of the Mac Erc dynasties of bothIreland and Scotland, in order for the accepted date of the founding ofScottish "Dal Riada" to be correct."

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidDale1/Part_1.htm#11
Chapter 12 : The Identification of the Mac Erc dynasty
12.1 The Connection of Ireland's Muiredach Mor Mac Erc to the "Scottish"Sons of Erc.


He says in chapter "12.4 Erc's sons who took possession of Alban" that:
"... we are told that Great Fergus was also known as Mac Misi (Mac Ness)Mor. '

In chapter "15.1 Erc's sons and the identity of the Pictish Kings." hesays:
"We are then informed in the Senchus that Erc had at least two sons bysomeone called Ness (Mac Misi)." and makes the case that tjhe great kingFergus Mor Mac Erc was Ness's son.

However in chapter 24.1.5 Columba's Genealogy David Dale says:
"Fearguso was by tradition another husband of Erc, the progenitor of theScottish kings. Fearguso means literally Fergus out of (Feargus a). Thiscould indicate that Fergus Mor Mac Erc was the son of Fearguso, whichmust have been another name for Loarn/Drust ..."

Notes:

"More evidence of an Irish-Pictish nobilbity in Scotland at this timeexists : We are told in Pictish legends that the first man to swim LochNess was an Irishman called Ness. We are then informed in the Senchusthat Erc had at least two sons by someone called Ness (Mac Misi). Giventhat Ness is traditionally the name of a Celtic River Goddess, Mac Misimay well mean that these are two sons of the Picts who worship the rivergoddess Ness, or two sons who achieved the Pictish Kingdom, Drust andNechtan. "
15.1 Erc's sons and the identity of the Pictish Kings.
From DAVID F. DALE "THE HISTORY OF THE SCOTS, THE PICTS AND THE BRITONS"
at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidDale1/Hisco.htm

e-mail : DavidDale1@compuserve.com

(Mac + of Ireland (Geodnaid) Erc. of (daughter of Eochaid (King Arthur) Muin-Remor King Loarn and Pictish Princess?) was born about 425; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

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David Dale makes the case that Erc was female not male. In addition hesays:

"Chapter 11 : The Senchus Fer n' Alban
The Senchus Fer n' Alban is probably the oldest document available to us,and since it begins with the line of Erc, most historians date the adventof Scottish settlement with the Mac Erc dynasty. However the Senchus doesnot claim to be a comprehensive history, instead it states quite clearlythat;
"here begins the abbreviated history of the men of Scotland"
Thus quite clearly we can identify that much information is missing fromit : as an abbreviated history there would be very little point indiscussing overthrown dynasties, land changes, settlement patterns or soon. All we can say for certain is that the Mac Erc dynasty was the royallineage of the Scots in the 7th century and their story is as follows;
"Two sons of Eochaid Muin-remor, namely Erc and Olchu. And Erc had twelvesons, six of them took possession of Scotland :- two Loarns, Loarn Becand Loarn Mor; and two sons of {Nes}, Mac Misi Bec and Mac Misi Mor; twosons Fergus Bec and Fergus Mor. Six others were in Ireland, namelyMac-Deichill; Angus, whose descendants are in Scotland; Enda, Bressal,Fiachra, Dubtach, Others say that Erc had another son whose name wasMuiredach."

From "THE HISTORY OF THE SCOTS, THE PICTS AND THE BRITONS"
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidDale1/Hisco.htm
DAVID F. DALE
e-mail : DavidDale1@compuserve.com
David Dale has done vast amount of research and has produced an excellent
report, which I would highly recommend to anyone interested.

He also says in chapter "12.3 Erc, Loarn and Eochaid Muin-Remor":
"...modern historians (it is after all a 10th Century copy of an ancienttract) which must have been subjected to wear over so many years, made amistake interpreting Mac (son of) instead of Nic (daughter of). Erccould, in fact, realistically be the mother of at least 12 sons, possiblyeven more children, by different fathers as both men and women practisedPolygamy in the pagan world of the Celt - no-one has, as yet, proved thatErc was Christian (No doubt some Celtic monk would have "cleaned up" thetale of how Erc had her children by the various fathers). It is possiblethat Sallen could have fathered children of Erc before her so-called"elopement" with Prince Muiredach - which would have meant that theChristian annalists could have had to substitute a supposed "sister"Pompa into the tales, in order to cleanse the image of the ancestor of somany Irish saints."
From "THE HISTORY OF THE SCOTS, THE PICTS AND THE BRITONS"
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidDale1/Hisco.htm
DAVID F. DALE

IRISH ORIGINS from

MILESIAN GENEALOGIES . from the Annals of the Four Masters.
Kindness of Pat Traynor athttp://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/history/milesian.html

"Adam through Kings of Ireland and Scotland To English Lines"
at Southern Style web site at
http://www.southern-style.com/adam_through_kings_of_ireland_an.htm

"Ancient Uladh. Kingdom of Ulster". In "Irelands History in Maps"
By Dennis Walsh (walshdw@ix.netcom.com) Very extensive information.
"With a Special Focus on Ancient and Medieval Irish Tribes and Septs."
At http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/kilkenny/2/ulster.htm

Jim Kinsella (jim@kinsella.org) Ancient Kinsella Lineage
http://kinsella.org/history/famline.htm
"Information taken from O'Hart's "Irish Pedigrees"
and Rev. P.L.O'Toole's "History of the Clan O'Toole" "
The Kinsella Homepage http://www.kinsella.org/

Ancient Irish Royalty by Richard Michael Finn
Very thorough. ( dennis@iwindow.com )
http://www.rich.finn.com/ancient.html

Notes:

"Ancient Uladh. Kingdom of Ulster". In "Irelands History in Maps"
By Dennis Walsh at http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/kilkenny/2/ulster.htm

"Dal Riada - in descent from Cairbre Rioghfhoda, in the line of Heremon.Dal Riata was the tribal and territorial name of the early tribes ofCounty Antrim, particularly the northeast portion. The Dal Riada extendedtheir kingdom into Scotland probably during the 3rd to the 7th centuries.The early term that the Romans referred to these and other tribes inIreland was the "Scoti", thus the legend of where Scotland received itsname.
An early genealogy of Dal Riata cites their common ancestor, Glass, a quosunt S?l Cuind & D?l Riata & Ulaid & Laigin & Ossairgi. His lineage isstated as:
Glass mac Nuadait Argatl?m of clan ?gaine Mor.


The Book of Ballymote provides this ancient list of Irish kings of DalRiata: Aengus Turmech (of Tara), Fiachu Fer-mara, Ailill Erand, Feradach,Forgo, Maine, Arnail, Ro-Thrir, Trir, Ro-Sin, Sin, Dedad, Iar, Ailill,Eogan, Eterscel, Conaire Mor, Daire Dornmor, Coirpre Crom-chend,Mug-lama, Conaire Coem, Coirpre Riata (Cairbre Rioghfhoda), Cindtai,Guaire, Cince, Fedlimid Lamdoit, Fiachu Tathmael, Eochaid Antoit, Aithir,Laithluaithi, Sen-chormac, Fedlimid, Angus Buaidnech, FedlimidAislingthe, Angus, Eochaid Muin-remor, Erc, Fergus [Mor mac Earca of 501AD].

An ancient lineage of the Dal Riata is cited as:
?engus Teamrach (81st Monarch), father of Fiachu Fer-mara, father ofAilill ?rann, father of Feradach, father of Forgo, father of Maine M?r,father of Arndail, father of Rothrer, father of Trer, father of Ro-Sin,father of Sin, father of Dedad, father of Iar, father of AilillAnglonnach, father of ?ogan, father of Etersc?l (95th Monarch), father ofConaire M?r (97th Monarch), father of Cairpre Finn M?r, father of D?ireDornm?r, father of Cairpre Crommchenn , father of Lugaid Allathach,father of Mogh Lamha, father of Conaire, father of Eochaid (CairpreRiata), father of Fiachra Cathm?il, father of Eochaid Ant?it, father ofAchir Cirre, father of Finn Fiacc, father of Cruithluithe, father ofSenchormac, father of Fedelmid Ruamnach, father of ?engus Buaidnech,father of Fedlimid Aislingthe, father of ?engus Fert, father of EochaidMuinremar, father of Erc, father of Fergus M?r mac Earca."

Eochaid + Pictish Princess?. Pictish and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]