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John (7th Lord Glamis) Lyon

John (7th Lord Glamis) Lyon

Male - 1558

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  1. 1.  John (7th Lord Glamis) Lyon (son of John (6th Lord of Glamis) Lyon and Janet (of Angus) Douglas); died in 1558.

    Notes:

    Also shown as child of John Lyon, VII Lord Glamis. Born 151
    0. Butelsewhere as a son of John (of Ryslippe) Lyon (d October 03, 1592)

    17 William, born 1540, Little Stanmore, married Isabella Wightman on6/17/1646, and died before 9/7/1624. Isabella born about 1559. [SeeLyon, William - Isabella Wightman]
    18 William, born about 1580, Heston, England. Died 1634. MarriedAnn Carter at Harrow of Hill, England on June 17, 1615. She was born in1594 and died in 1634. [See Lyon Families Escape to America.]

    This information is from Sandi Hartnell, (hartnellsl@attbi.com) l but Ican not find it elsewhere. Sandi Hartnell says "Most of the early stuffwas compiled by my grandmother's twin sister, Mina Lyon Rife. She datedthe material 1956. She did a lot of research, and attributed some of thematerial from a 3 volumes titled "Lyon Memorial". She indicated they werepurchased in Boston at Goodspeed Book Store. I visited Glamis Castleabout 10 years ago and have guidebooks from there that had familyinformation, and I also picked up some information from various websites.

    John married Janet Keith on 6 Feb 1541-1542. Janet (daughter of Robert Lord Keith and Elizabeth Or Beatrice Douglas) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Margaret (of Glamis) Lyon and died.
    2. Sir Thomas (of Auldbar Master of Glamis) Lyon died on 18 Feb 1607.
    3. John (8th Lord of Glamis) Lyon was born in 1544; died on 17 Mar 1576-1577.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  John (6th Lord of Glamis) Lyon was born about 1491 in Glamis, Angushire, Scotland. (son of John (4th Lord of Glamis) Lyon and Elizabeth Gray); died on 8 Apr 1528 in Leith.

    John married Janet (of Angus) Douglas before 12 Dec 1527. Janet (daughter of George (Master of Angus) Douglas and Elizabeth Drummond) died on 17 Jul 1537 in By Fire Publicly On Castle Hill Of Edinburgh. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Janet (of Angus) Douglas (daughter of George (Master of Angus) Douglas and Elizabeth Drummond); died on 17 Jul 1537 in By Fire Publicly On Castle Hill Of Edinburgh.

    Notes:

    Possibly the daughter of Archibald (5th Earl of Angus) Douglas,
    However:
    The Complete Peerage by G E Cokayne, under "Glamis" (Vol 2, V, page 657)shows Janet (of Angus) Douglas' parents as George (Master of Angus)Douglas and Elizabeth Drummond, and that she was sister of ArchibaldEarl of Angus. Burke's Peerage (106th Ed. p 2735) under "Strathmore &Kinghorne" says she was the sister of the 6th Earl of Angus. In Burke'sPeerage under "Hamilton and Brandon" she is shown with those samerelationships.
    Also
    Stirnet Genealogy athttp://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ll/lyon01.htm
    shows
    John Lyon, 6th Lord Glamis (b c1491, d 08.04.1528)
    m. Jonet Douglas (d 17.07.1537, dau of George Douglas, Master of Angus)
    &
    at http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/dd/douglas02.htm
    She is shown as daughter of
    George Douglas, Master of Angus (d Flodden 09.09.1513
    & Elizabeth Drummond (dau of John Drummond, 1st Lord)

    Sandi Hartnell's (see below) information shows 2 different parents; KingRobert & in the note (2) George Douglas Master of ANGUS and ElizabethDRUMMOND.
    Elsewhere Hartnell questions if she was daughter of the son of Archibald(5th Earl of Angus) Douglas.
    The question is waiting more information

    Much of this information on this line is from Sandi Hartnell who says"Most of the early stuff was compiled by my grandmother's twin sister,Mina Lyon Rife. She dated the material 1956. She did a lot of research,and attributed some of the material from a 3 volumes titled "LyonMemorial". She indicated they were purchased in Boston at Goodspeed BookStore. I visited Glamis Castle about 10 years ago and have guidebooksfrom there that had family information, and I also picked up someinformation from various web sites.

    "Janet Douglas (2), second daughter of King Robert, born 1495 in Angus,Scotland, who died by fire publicly on Castle Hill of Edinburgh, July12(17?), 1537. In the first part of the sixteenth century the beautifulwidowed Glamis was imprisoned in Edinburgh Castle with her young Son LordGlamis and her second husband, a Campbell of Skipnish. She was falselyaccused of witchcraft and mixing of potions, and conspiracy to kill KingJames V, by evidence of a perjurer. One version of the story relatedthat another Campbell wish to marry Glamis and told the King tales ofpotions and witchcraft and that on his deathbed he confessed to thefalsehoods. Glamis was condemned to death together with her young son.Campbell of Skipnish was killed trying to escape and Lord Glamis wasreprieved until he came of age, but was kept a prisoner until the King'sdeath. Glamis was found guilty of the trumped-up accusation and onDecember 3, 1540 was burned alive as a witch on the Castle Hill ofEdinburgh 'with great commiseration of the people, being in the prime ofher years, of a singular beauty, and suffering all, though a woman, witha manlike courage, all men conceiving that it was not this fact(witchcraft) but the hatred with the King carried to her brothers and therest of the Douglas clan.'"

    2. Her parents: George Douglas Master of ANGUS and Elizabeth DRUMMOND b:1465 in Cumberland, Lenarkshire, Scotland. They married: ABT. MAR1487/88 in Drummond, Perthshire, Scotland. George's parents: ArchibaldDOUGLAS b: ABT. 1445 in Kilmaurs, Ayrshire, Scotland and ElizabethDRUMMOND b: 1465 in Cumberland, Lenarkshire, Scotland. They married 4MAR 1467/68 in Kilmaurs, Ayrshire, Scotland.

    Children:
    1. 1. John (7th Lord Glamis) Lyon died in 1558.
    2. Elizabeth (of Glamis) Lyons and died.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  John (4th Lord of Glamis) Lyon was born in 1452 (son of John (3rd Lord Glamis) Lyon and Elizabeth (of Dudhope) Scrimgeour); died in 1500.

    Notes:

    JOHN LYON, IV LORD GLAMIS

    14 John Lyon, IV Lord Glamis. Born 1452, died 1500. He marriedElizabeth (Emily ?) Gray1, on May 18, 1487, daughter of Lord Andrew Grayand Janet Keith Gray. She was born in Huntley, Aberdeen, and diedJanuary 19, 1529. Three children: George, John and Alexander. [Conflict:other source lists children as Thomas, Richard and John.]
    15 George Lyon, V Lord Glamis. Born 1488, Glamis, Angushire,Scotland. He died unmarried in 1505 and the title passed to his brother.
    15 John Lyon, VI Lord Glamis. Born 1491 at Glamis, Angushire,Scotland [Circa James IV, Mary Stuart Queen of Scotland]. John Lyon diedin April 8,1528. James IV renewed his alliance with King of France in1513. The herald who brought the declaration was "The Scotch LordLyon". Another Lyon King-at-Arms or Lion King-at Arms: one of the Perthshire courtiers of an Earl Marshal-keeper of the heraldic beasts of theRoyal Shield. The battle of Flodden Field killed 12,000 including KingRobert II. The few among those not killed was John Lyon, VI LordGlamis.

    He married Janet Douglas2, second daughter of King Robert, born 1495 inAngus, Scotland, who died by fire publicly on Castle Hill of Edinburgh,July 12(17?), 1537. In the first part of the sixteenth century thebeautiful widowed Glamis was imprisoned in Edinburgh Castle with heryoung Son Lord Glamis and her second husband, a Campbell of Skipnish.She was falsely accused of witchcraft and mixing of potions, andconspiracy to kill King James V, by evidence of a perjurer. One versionof the story related that another Campbell wish to marry Glamis and toldthe King tales of potions and witchcraft and that on his deathbed heconfessed to the falsehoods. Glamis was condemned to death together withher young son. Campbell of Skipnish was killed trying to escape and LordGlamis was reprieved until he came of age, but was kept a prisoner untilthe King's death. Glamis was found guilty of the trumped-up accusationand on December 3, 1540 was burned alive as a witch on the Castle Hill ofEdinburgh 'with great commiseration of the people, being in the prime ofher years, of a singular beauty, and suffering all, though a woman, witha manlike courage, all men conceiving that it was not this fact(witchcraft) but the hatred with the King carried to her brothers and therest of the Douglas clan.'

    While Glamis castle was in the hands of the King it was used by heand his Queen, Marie of Lorraine, who held court their and ransacked itof most of its valuable furnishings.

    16 John Lyon, VII Lord Glamis. Born 1510 [Circa Mary Stuart] Hewas placed under his uncle Alexander Lyon and died 10/3/1592. AfterKing James V died he was released and his property (Glamis) restored tohim. He married Janet Keith 2/6/1543. [Some sources indicate this Johnis the same as John of Ryslippe, born in 1510, died 10/3/1592 inRyslippe. See Henry Lyon, Knight document]
    17 John Lyon, VIII, Lord Glamis. [Circa Mary Stuart] John died in1578, accidently killed at Sterling Scotland, in an encounter withfollowers of the Lindsay family. Privy Councillor, Extraordinary Lord ofthe Session (1573), High Chancellor of Scotland (1573), Keeper of theGreat Seal, Lord of Scession (1570). He married Elizabeth Abernathy onJuly 2, 1569. She was the daughter of Lord Salton.
    16 Margaret
    16 Jean

    In 1560 the powerful preachers, Harlow, Whitlock, and Knox organized thechurch in Scotland, an act prohibiting the rites of the Church of Rome.

    18 ?
    19 Patrick Lyon, born 1575, died December 19, 1615. IX Lord ofGlamis. [Circa James VI] He succeeded his father at the age of three in1578. In 1606 he was created First Earl of Kinghorne, Privy Councillorto James VI of Scotland and also became James I of England in 1603,Commissioner to treat the union with England. He married Anne Murray,Daughter of Lord Tullibardine. He was a prominent public servant andstarted working on the redecorating of Glamis castle.
    20 John Lyon, X Lord Glamis, Second Earl of Kinghorne. [CircaJames VI, who is also James I of England in 1603] Scotland becomes partof England. His second wife was Margaret Erskine.
    21 Patrick, Earl of Strathmore, 3rd Earl of Kinghorne, 1677. PrivyCouncillor, Extra Lord of Session, in charge of the commissary of thearmy in Argyll's rebellion 1643-1595.
    17 Hon. Thomas (Sir) Lyon, Master of Glamis. [Circa James VI,Scotland, James I of England]. Lord Lyon - King of Arms, Keeper ofheraldic beasts of Royal Shield, deeded lands in 1586, dubbed Treasurerof Scotland, Extraordinary Lord of Session until 5/28/1593. Hesurrounded the castle with armed men, taking James VI prisoner. Hemarried Agnes Gray (Horne) and was deeded her land in 1579-1586. Hemarried Eufamia Douglas, and deed land in 1589. He fled to England,readjusted his places, and returned, seizing Sterling Castle and accusedthe government again. He fled across the border, returned with armedroyal men, invaded the palace, compelled Arran Stuart to quit the royalpresence. He was appointed Captain of Kings Guards. He was a strikingfigure at the coronation of Danish Queen Anna on 5/17/1590, who marriedJames I of England.
    18 Mary Lyon, married Robert Semphill.
    18 John of Aldbar, married the daughter of the Archbishop of StAndrews. Died without children.
    19 ?
    20 ?
    21 John Lyon, Master of Glamis
    17 William, born 1540, Little Stanmore, married Isabella Wightmanon 6/17/1646, and died before 9/7/1624. Isabella born about 1559. [SeeLyon, William - Isabella Wightman]
    18 William, born about 1580, Heston, England. Died 1634. MarriedAnn Carter at Harrow of Hill, England on June 17, 1615. She was born in1594 and died in 1634. [See Lyon Families Escape to America.]
    16 Elizabeth, born about 1516 in Of Glamis, Angus, Scotland
    16 George, born about 1520 Of Glamis, Angus, Scotland. Died1/15/1542.
    15 Alexander Lyon, born 1493 in Moray, Glamis, Angushire, Scotland.


    1Her parents: Andrew GRAY b: ABT. 1446 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire,Scotland and Janet KEITH b: ABT. 1456 in Dunoattar, Kincardine, Scotland.
    2Her parents: George Douglas Master of ANGUS and Elizabeth DRUMMONDb: 1465 in Cumberland, Lenarkshire, Scotland. They married: ABT. MAR1487/88 in Drummond, Perthshire, Scotland. George's parents: ArchibaldDOUGLAS b: ABT. 1445 in Kilmaurs, Ayrshire, Scotland and ElizabethDRUMMOND b: 1465 in Cumberland, Lenarkshire, Scotland. They married 4MAR 1467/68 in Kilmaurs, Ayrshire, Scotland.


    This information is from Sandi Hartnell, (hartnellsl@attbi.com) who says"Most of the early stuff was compiled by my grandmother's twin sister,Mina Lyon Rife. She dated the material 1956. She did a lot of research,and attributed some of the material from a 3 volumes titled "LyonMemorial". She indicated they were purchased in Boston at Goodspeed BookStore. I visited Glamis Castle about 10 years ago and have guidebooksfrom there that had family information, and I also picked up someinformation from various web cites.


    For more information on Lyon Hartnell line see under:
    Abraham Hartnell, b ?, d 9/29/1729 in Winfrith, Dorset, England
    William Frederick Hartnell Born 2/6/1861 - Overmoigne, England
    Joseph Hartnell was born in 1799
    John Hartnell born July 1789 in Chaldon Herring, Dorset, Dorsetshire,England
    James Hartnell was born in 1794
    John Cox Hartnell May 21, 1834

    William Penney, born about 1750

    John (Colonel of Ryslippe) Lyon died October 03, 1592
    William (of Roxberry) Lyon born December 13, 1620
    Marcus R. Lyon born February 28, 1857
    Henry (Sir) (of Ryslippe) Lyon, born about 1410
    John (Sir) (of Foreviot & Glamis) Lyon, born 1320
    John (4th Lord of Glamis) Lyon, born 1452
    John de Lyon born Bet. 1292 - 1319
    Roger (Sir) (de Leonne) de Lyon, born 1040

    John married Elizabeth Gray on 18 May 1487. Elizabeth (daughter of Andrew 2nd Lord Gray and Janet Keith) died in 1526 in Or January 19, 1529. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Elizabeth Gray (daughter of Andrew 2nd Lord Gray and Janet Keith); died in 1526 in Or January 19, 1529.
    Children:
    1. George (5th Lord Glamis) Lyon was born in 1488 in Glamis, Angushire, Scotland.; died in 1504.
    2. 2. John (6th Lord of Glamis) Lyon was born about 1491 in Glamis, Angushire, Scotland.; died on 8 Apr 1528 in Leith.

  3. 6.  George (Master of Angus) Douglas was born about 1469 (son of Archibald (5th Earl of Angus) Douglas and Elizabeth Boyd); died on 9 Sep 1513 in Killed In Battle Of Flodden.

    George married Elizabeth Drummond in 1488. Elizabeth (daughter of John 1st Lord Drummond and Elizabeth (of Crawford) Lindsay) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Elizabeth Drummond (daughter of John 1st Lord Drummond and Elizabeth (of Crawford) Lindsay); and died.
    Children:
    1. Archibald (6th Earl of Angus) Douglas was born in 1489 in Of Douglas, Lanarkshire, Scotland; died before 22 Jan 1557 in Tantallon Castle, East Lothian, Scotland; was buried in Abernethy, Perthshire, Scotland.
    2. Alison (of Angus) Douglas and died.
    3. 3. Janet (of Angus) Douglas died on 17 Jul 1537 in By Fire Publicly On Castle Hill Of Edinburgh.
    4. Margaret (of Angus) Douglas and died.
    5. Elizabeth (of Angus) Douglas and died.
    6. Isabel (of Angus) Douglas and died.
    7. Sir George (of Pittendreich) Douglas died in Aug 1552.
    8. William (Prior of Coldingham) Douglas was born about 1495; died in 1528; was buried in Preston, In Merse.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  John (3rd Lord Glamis) Lyon was born in 1431 in Glamis, Angusshire, Scotland. (son of Patrick (1st Baron Glamis) Lyon and Isabella Ogilvy); died on 1 Apr 1497 in Glamis, Forfar.

    Notes:

    "Royal and Noble Genealogical Data on the Web" by Brian Tompsett athttp://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal30715

    "Lord Auditor of Parliament, Lord of the Council, Justice, Ambassador.
    The Complete Peerage vol.V,p.657."

    John married Elizabeth (of Dudhope) Scrimgeour before 1450. Elizabeth (daughter of John (Sir) (of Dudhope) Scrimgeour and Isabella (of Aberdalgie) Oliphant) was born in 1435 in Dunhope, Angusshire, Scotland; died before 20 Oct 1492. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Elizabeth (of Dudhope) Scrimgeour was born in 1435 in Dunhope, Angusshire, Scotland (daughter of John (Sir) (of Dudhope) Scrimgeour and Isabella (of Aberdalgie) Oliphant); died before 20 Oct 1492.
    Children:
    1. 4. John (4th Lord of Glamis) Lyon was born in 1452; died in 1500.
    2. David (of Baky & Cossins) Lyon died on 9 Sep 1513 in Battle Foldden.
    3. William Lyon died on 9 Sep 1513 in Battle Of Flodden.
    4. George Lyon died on 9 Sep 1513 in Battle Of Flodden.
    5. Christian Lyon and died.
    6. Janet Lyon and died.
    7. Agnes Lyon and died.
    8. Margaret Lyon and died.
    9. Mariota Lyon and died.
    10. Elizabeth Lyon died in Dsp.
    11. Violetta Or Margaret (of Glamis) Lyon and died.

  3. 10.  Andrew 2nd Lord Gray was born about 1446 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland (son of Patrick (Master of Gray) Gray and Annabella Forbes); died in Feb 1512-1513.

    Notes:

    1st Wife Janet Keith
    2nd Wife Elizabeth (of Atholl) Stewart
    3rd Wife Margaret Houston
    4th Wife Elizabeth Hay

    Andrew married Janet Keith about Mar 1464. Janet (daughter of Robert (Master of Marischal) Lord Keith and Janet Seton) was born in Dunoattar, Kincardine, Scotland.; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  Janet Keith was born in Dunoattar, Kincardine, Scotland. (daughter of Robert (Master of Marischal) Lord Keith and Janet Seton); and died.
    Children:
    1. 5. Elizabeth Gray died in 1526 in Or January 19, 1529.
    2. Patrick 3rd Lord Gray died in Apr 1541.
    3. Isobel Gray and died.

  5. 12.  Archibald (5th Earl of Angus) Douglas was born in 1453 (son of Sir George (4th Earl of Angus) Douglas and Isabel Sibbald); died after 29 Nov 1513.

    Notes:

    Son of the fourth Earl. Known as the Great Earl of Angus, and as "Bell the Cat". He was married three times, had three sons, and several daughters. His second son, William, was by Elizabeth Boyd. The name "Bell the Cat" came to Angus through an occurrence at the time of Cochran, Minister to James III. A secret meeting of some nobles was held when the corruptions of Cochran were discussed, and a method of overcoming the evils. Lord Gray told a fable.
    "A council held by the mice, who were much annoyed by the cat, decided that a bell should be hung around puss's neck to warn them when she was coming. But although all were in layout, no one could be found with sufficient courage to place the bell on the cat."
    Thus, it was insinuated that although the nobles might condemn the King's Minister, there was no one to be found with the courage to carry out their resolutions. At this Angus arose and said; "I am he who shall bell the cat." While still debating, a loud knocking sounded at the door, and Cochran with three hundred men appeared. Angus met him, and seizing a rich gold chain which Cochran wore around his neck, jerked it off, saying "A halter would be more becoming."
    So, they hanged him with many others, and thus "Bell the Cat" got his name.
    Angus, at this time was the leader of the Scottish nobility and on the seizing of the King by the nobles, Angus it was who dictated the terms of his release to Albany, the king's brother; and being so fair and reasonable, he gained the respect of the King and Court, Albany was for a time practically ruler of Scotland, until he showed favoritism to the English, when the nobles became suspicious, and he had to flee the country. He then attacked Scotland with the English. Angus was nearly captured in the fight, escaping only by speed of his horse.
    Earl Angus was at once Warden of the East and Middle Marches, Lord of Liddesdale and Jedwood Forest, and possessor of the Castles of Douglas, Hermitage and Tantallion. He was highly esteemed by the nobility, and the faction, which he controlled, shook the throne of James III, whose person they restrained. In 1488, Angus and his supporters made war on the King, who was defeated at Bannockburn. The King, fleeing the field, was murdered, after a fall from his horse.
    During the early reign of King James IV, Angus was an advisor and friend of the young King, who at the same time, kept a close watch on the growing power of Angus, and later forced Angus to exchange his castle of Hermitage in Galloway for the Castle of Bothwell, thus scattering his strength.
    In 1513, an English army, under the Earl of Surrey, met the Scottish army at Flodden. Here Earl Angus tried to advise the King as to the procedure of Battle, but being insulted by the King who had turned very stubborn, the old Knight retired from the field, leaving his two sons who were killed, with the King in the battle the next day. Angus died the following year, a very old man, and was succeeded by the son of his eldest son, George Master of Douglas, who was killed at Flodden. (See Scott's Marmion)

    Archibald married Elizabeth Boyd on 4 Mar 1467-1468. Elizabeth (daughter of Robert (Great Chamderlain) 1st Lord Boyd and Mariot (of Calderwood) Maxwell) died before 21 Feb 1497. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 13.  Elizabeth Boyd (daughter of Robert (Great Chamderlain) 1st Lord Boyd and Mariot (of Calderwood) Maxwell); died before 21 Feb 1497.
    Children:
    1. 6. George (Master of Angus) Douglas was born about 1469; died on 9 Sep 1513 in Killed In Battle Of Flodden.
    2. Sir William (of Glenbervie) Douglas was born about 1470; died on 9 Sep 1513 in Battle Of Flodden.
    3. Janet Douglas and died.
    4. Marion\Mariot (of Angus) Douglas and died.
    5. Gavin (Bishop of Dunkeld) Douglas died in Sep 1522.
    6. Archibald (of Kilspindie) Douglas died in by 1536.
    7. Elizabeth Douglas died before 1493.
    8. Isabel Douglas was born before 1513; and died.

  7. 14.  John 1st Lord Drummond (son of Macolm (Sir)(of Cargill & Stobhall) Drummond and Mariot Murray); died in 1519.

    John + Elizabeth (of Crawford) Lindsay. Elizabeth (daughter of Alexander (4th Earl of Crawford) Lindsay and Margaret Dunbar) was born about 1448; died after 22 Sep 1519. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  8. 15.  Elizabeth (of Crawford) Lindsay was born about 1448 (daughter of Alexander (4th Earl of Crawford) Lindsay and Margaret Dunbar); died after 22 Sep 1519.
    Children:
    1. William Master of Drummond died in 1490 in Executed.
    2. Malcolm Drummond and died.
    3. John (Ancestor of Innerpeffary Branch) Drummond and died.
    4. Margaret Drummond died in 1502 in Poisoned.
    5. 7. Elizabeth Drummond and died.
    6. Beatrice Drummond and died.
    7. Annabel Drummond and died.
    8. Sibylla Drummond died in 1501 in Poisoned.
    9. Eupheme Drummond was born in 1467; died in May 1502 in Poisoned; was buried in Dunblane.
    10. Daughter of 1st Lord Drummond and died.



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