Family/Spouse: Gladys (Gem) Emily Morgan Godbold. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Anthony John Shaw Maclaren

John + Clara Hillhouse. Clara (daughter of Archibald Hillhouse and Annie Adamson) was born in 1871; died in 1947. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Robert Maclaren 1817-1889
Born 1817 Falkirk, Scotland
Died 2nd April, l889. Ardenshaw, 5 St Andrews Drive, Pollokshields,Glasgow.
(Record of death 1889 Kinning Park District, entry 175)
Son of Robert Maclaren (of Bainsford) 1778-1826 & Margaret Shaw 1779/81-1854
Husband of Mary Jane Findlay with whom he had nine children

Left about ?1.5M which he had made on steel futures and in RobertMaclaren & Co.
He was told that he shouldn't leave it all to his children, to which hereplied that if they had as much fun spending it as he had had making it,then they were welcome to it!


Obituary
In The Institute of Engineers & Shipbuilders in Scotland Vol. 32 p. 322
Mr. ROBERT MACLAREN was elected as a Member of the Institution in l859,and although not taking any active part in the work of the Institution,was well known amongst engineers as an iron founder, his works for themanufacture of castings for water supply, both pipes and specials,turning out large quantities of these, both for home and foreign orders.
Mr. Maclaren died at Glasgow on 2nd April, l889

Obituary
Robert Maclaren death notice listed in both the Glasgow Herald and SouthSuburban Press of 3rd and 6th April 1889.
This read as follows:

"At Ardenshaw, Pollokshields on the 2nd inSt Robert MacLaren of EglingtonFoundry. Friends will please accept this invitation."

His son Colonel Robert Maclaren 1860 to 1936 owned Robert Maclaren & CoLtd. Was Hon. Colonel of the Cameroneans and Chairman of the RoyalExchange in Glasgow for about 18 years.


See article (below) form "Industries of Glasgow" (published 1888) adescription of Robert Maclaren & Co., Iron Founder and Manufacturer ofpatent cast-iron pipes, Eglinton Iron Works, Port Eglinton. Among thegreatest of Glasgow's iron industries

See also History of ROBERT MACLAREN & COMPANY LTD. (later MaclarenControls) by Ian Garnet Maclaren 1962) in Notes of his son of Noman (Dr)Henry William Maclaren (1880-1936)


Article from "Industries of Glasgow" (published 1888) was a descriptionof Robert MacLaren & Co. indicating it was Robert senior and not his sonwho founded the firm in 1858.

Robert Maclaren & Co.,
Robert Maclaren & Co., Iron Founder and Manufacturer of patent cast-ironpipes, Eglinton Iron Works, Port Eglinton. Among the greatest ofGlasgow's iron industries stands that carried on at the above address byMessrs. Robert Maclaren &; Co., a firm whose name has become most closelyand creditably associated with the manufacture of all classes ofcast-iron pipes for gas, water, and sanitary purposes.

This eminent house was founded in 1858 by Mr. Robert Maclaren, who had athorough training in the important branch of iron founding to which hehas subsequently devoted his energies, and whose experience and knowledgehave been applied to the marked improvement of the class of goods he hasmade it his business to produce. The firm commenced operations at theirpresent fine premises, the Eglinton works, which have been enlarged andaltered from time to time to meet the requirements of an ever-growingtrade, which now cover no less an area than 26,000 square yards ofground, and employ from six to eight hundred hands, according to theamount of work in process of execution.

To describe in detail the many interesting phases and features of thisthoroughly typical establishment would carry us far beyond the limits ofthis necessarily concise sketch. It is, perhaps, sufficient to recordthat there is no department in the entire works in which the productivefacilities and capacity have not been brought up to the very best modernstandard; and in not a few instances there are manifested certainmethods, arrangements, and conveniences of an unique order, the outcomeand result of this firm's long and exhaustive experience applied to thebest and most effective purpose.

The mechanical and general equipment of the Eglinton Iron Works is beyondpraise. It represents the perfection of adequacy and efficiency that canonly be attained after years of labour and experiment, and illustratesthe laudably intelligent use Messrs. Maclaren and Co. have made of everyresource brought within their reach by the gradual and continuousdevelopment of the industry they control.

The situation of the works completes the sum total of theirrecommendation as an industrial centre, and the railway lines runningthrough them, coupled with their proximity to the river wharfage, affordevery desirable facility of transport and shipments. About three-fifthsof the area covered by the works is devoted to the purposes of yards, andconstitutes storage ground for many thousands of tons of cast-iron pipesof all kinds and sizes, complete and finished, and ready for shipment toany quarter of the globe.

The Mercantile Age, referring to Messrs. Maclaren and Co.'sestablishment, in a recent issue, says: '
Their works, as we have said,are replete with everything that science has dictated for the ablestconstruction of their specialties, and their reputation has long beenfirmly established with foreign Governments and corporations, as well asthose at home, and we are glad to bear this tribute of praise inacknowledgment of their untiring energy, excellent workmanship, andbusiness-like transactions." Messrs. Maclaren ~ Co. are among ourgreatest manufacturers of iron pipes. They are, in fact, specialists inthis most important industry, and their productions in gas andwater-pipes of every description have a reputation that is international.

The maintenance of that reputation and its consistent extension andenhancement now constitutes the industrial and commercial object of thefirm; and to this end there is no device or plan that skill, science, orexperience can suggest to facilitate the operations of the Eglinton Worksor improve the character of their unsurpassed productions that is not atonce adopted and actively employed by the house. Such a policy ofprogressive enterprise can have but one result, beneficial alike to thosepursuing it and to the world-wide public in whose interests it isdeveloped and adhered to. Messrs. Robert Maclaren & Co. control a tradeof universal range and immense magnitude: Their pipes for water and gassupply and for various sanitary uses are in demand among all civilisednations, and are shipped in ever-increasing quantities to every quarterof the globe.

Untiring energy, excellence of production, and straightforward commercialprinciples are the united causes of this satisfaction, effect; and thebusiness now centered at the Eglinton Works is a monument to thecharacteristic capacity and enterprise of a representative Glasgow firm,and a credit to the great national industry in which is a factor offirst-rate importance.

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More Maclaren info at
http://home.earthlink.net/~maclaren/
Called "Maclaren & Birtwistle Information" which has a link to the mainpage.
The family tree on FamilyTree Maker website "Robert Maclaren 1776-1826 &Ralph de Birdtwisell 1160" is at
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/a/c/Hamish-S-Maclaren/
This has lots of reports, photos, etc..

see Robert Maclaren of Bainsford (1776-1826) for more information.

Robert married Mary Jane Finlay on 25 Aug 1859 in Glasgow, Scotland. Mary (daughter of John Finlay and Mary Adams) was born in 1841; died in 1900; was buried in Craigton Cemetary, Glasgow.. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Archibald + Annie Adamson. Annie (daughter of Perevoll) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From Brian Watters. 6th July 2001
Author of "Where Iron Runs Like Water- Brian Watters (a new history ofthe Carron Iron Works - 1759 - 1892)"
Your letter of 12 June 2001 was forwarded to me by the people at CarronPhoenix. Unfortunately, I do not know of any connection between RobertMaclaren and James Maclaren; the background of the latter gentleman isquite hazy. Where James Maclaren originated from is not known to me, buthe appears to have been quite close to managing partner Joseph Stainton(he had Stainton's s power of attorney), whose sister Betty, heeventually married. By 1791, he had obviously amassed enough money tobegin buying Carron Company shares, becoming a partner by 1795. He thenwent to the Liverpool office and finally to London, where he died in1808. His son, James Maclaren, was a Barrister at Law and was married toJoseph Stainton's daughter Caroline. They lived at East Sussex beforemoving to Constable Burton in Yorkshire. Their son, James Joseph StaintonMaclaren, also a Barrister, was chairman of the Company from 1906 untilhis death at his home Ratho Park (now a golf club) in 1927. He had nooffspring, so his Carron Company shares passed to other relatives withinthe Stainton family. Amongst those who benefited, was a relative, DrMaclaren of Elie, Fife.

However, I can give you a little information on some of the othersmentioned in your letter. Robert Maclaren's wife Margaret, was thedaughter of James Shaw of Bainsford. She inherited her father's propertyin 1822 as can be seen from the Abridgement of Sasines for Stirlingshire:

Sept. 20. 1822. 617. MARGARET SHAW, spouse of Robert McLaren, Clerk tothe Carton Co., residing in Bainsford, Seised, Sept. 17. 1822, - in 7Falls of ground with the Houses thereon, being part of the lands ofMUNGALL, adjacent to BAINSFORD, par. Falkirk; - on Disp. by James Shaw,Labourer,
Bainsford, her father, Apr. 23. 1806. PR. 102.20."

From Brian Watters 20 July 2001
"Since our last correspondence, I have come up with some other bits whichyou may or may not know about, but which may be of interest. The MI's(Monumental Inscriptions, compiled by Mitchell & Mitchell in c1972) showthat Robert Maclaren and his wife were both interred in FalkirkChurchyard:
Robert Maclaren
died 1 I'? August 1826 aged 48
his widow
Margaret Shaw
died 24'? September 1854 aged 73
Unfortunately, most of this graveyard (Falkirk Old and St Modans ParishChurch) was cleared a few years ago and the remains re-interred inCamelon Cemetery. I also came across another Sasine which refers toproperty in Bainsford purchased by William Monteath and his wife Ann Shaw(who got liferent). Perhaps Ann was another relative? The seller was oneJames Rennie, perhaps a relative of the other family you mentioned(Renney or Rennie?):

2577. WILLIAM MONTEATH, Ship Carpenter, Carron, Siesed, Jan. 2.1838,- inthe southmost half of a Dwelling House and southmost half of the Gardenor ground at the back thereof and Buildings thereon, on the east side ofthe High Road leading through BAINSFORD, and Teinds, par. Falkirk; - onDisp. by James Rennie, sometime Mason, Bainsford, then in Glasgow, Aug.15. 1808; - and ANN SHAW, his spouse, Seised end, die in liferent, ofsaid subjects propriis manibus of the said William Monteath. PR191.286.
Yours sincerely,
Brian Watters."

"I have a couple of corrections to make to the information passed to you.Regarding the Falkirk Churchyard, it was the old gravestones that werecleared away and not the occupants, so your ancestors remain safe. Thesite of the Congregational Church in Bank Street, Falkirk, is nowutilised by a Bingo Hall, once Falkirk's "Picture House". I am reliablyinformed that some parts of the old church can still be seen at the rearof this building."
28th August 2001
Brian Watters

Much of the information on the Maclarens has come from a Report (about1950s) of research into family of Robert Maclaren of Bainsford. (AlsoLaurie, Shaw, Liddell, Peddie, Findlay, Renny.) Commissioned by JohnFrederick Peverell Maclaren.
Much information was collected over many years by him and his daughterJean Gaselle Greer. Plus additional information on Maclarens of 20th &21st Centuries is provided by family members.

More Maclaren info at
http://home.earthlink.net/~maclaren/
Called "Maclaren & Birtwistle Information" which has a link to the mainpage.
The family tree on FamilyTree Maker website "Robert Maclaren 1776-1826 &Ralph de Birdtwisell 1160" is at
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/a/c/Hamish-S-Maclaren/
This has lots of reports, photos, etc..

Contractor of Fife,
Family of Robert MacLaren of Bainsford, d.1826

The report below was commissioned by John Frederick Peverell Maclaren(1896-1776), probably in the 1950s.

PRELIMINARY REFORT

Robert Maclaren, Ironfounder in Glasgow, died in 1889, and his record ofdeath reads -

1889 Kinning Park District, entry 175

Robert McLaren, Iron Founder. Married to Mary Jane Findlay. 1889, AprilSecond,
9h.30 pm,. 5 St Andrew's Drive, Pollokshields. M(ale) 72 years.
(Parents) Robert McLaren, Baptist Minister,(deceased);
Margaret McLaren, M. S. Shaw (deceased).
(Informant) Robert Maclaren, junr. Son, Present.

The description of Robert Maclaren's father as Baptist Minister isexceptionally interesting. It is doubted, in view of other evidencetraced, if he were indeed so, but this was early confirmation of thetradition of descent from a Minister.

Robert Maclaren and Mary Jane Finlay were married in Glasgow on 25thAugust, 1859. He is then described as forty years of age, an Iron Founderand Engineer, resident at 10 Abbot Yard Place, Laurieston (BlythswoodDistrict, entry 345). Mary Jane Finlay was then aged nineteen, daughterof John Finlay and his wife, Mary Adams. (Robert Maclaren was admitted tothe Incorporation of Hammermen of Glasgow as son-in-law of John Finlay,Ironmonger and Smith).

Most interesting is the description of the parents of Robert Maclaren inthe 1859 marriage record as Robert McLaren, Sub-Manager of Carron IronWorks, and Margaret Shaw.

The birth and baptism of Robert is recorded in the Falkirk ParishRegister -
1817, March 2
MacLaren Robert lawl. of Robert MacLaren & Margaret Shaw born 4 current.
N.B. The parents are Baptists.

Other children similarly recorded are -
1810 Apr.15
MacLaren James Lwl. of Robert MacLaren & Margaret Shaw Born 19 Octr.1808
MacLaren Jean lawl. of Robert MacLaren & Margaret Shaw born 15 April,1810
N.B. The two children last Inserted have a Baptist to their father.

1812 Jan.3
MacLaren Margaret lawl. of Robert MacLaren & Margaret Shaw.Born 5janry.1812.
N.B.. This child has a Baptist to her father.

No other children of Robert MacLaren and Margaret Shaw are registered,but this would be accounted for by the rebellious persuasion of theparents. They would be inserted in the Parish Register only at thespecial request of the father.

The marriage of the parents is recorded at Falkirk 1807 Decr. 6th.
"Robert McLaren and Margaret Shaw both in this parish. "

At the time of the 1841 Census the family is listed as follows;

Bainsford, Falkirk

Margaret McLaren Head (approx.age)60 Ind(ependent) Y(es, i.e.born in thecounty
Janet 25 Y
Jeanie 20 Y
Andrew 15 Smith App(rentice) Y
Archibald 14 Y
(Enumeration Book 27/p/9)

In 1851 we find
Bainsford
Margaret McLaren Head W(idow)(aged)70 proprietress(born)Stirling,Falkirk.
Janet Do. Daur.U(nmarried) 30 Do. Do.
(380/Enumeration Book 1, Schedule 22)

A search in Stirlingshire Sasines showed that Robert MacLaren himselfacquired no property in the county between 1781 and 1826. 0n 20thSeptember, 1822, however, Margaret Shaw, spouse of Robert McLaren, Clerkto the Carron Co. residing in Bainsford was seised in 7 falls of groundwith the houses thereon, being part of the lands of Mungall, adjacent toBainsford, parish of Falkirk, on a disposition by James Shaw, labourer,Bainsford, her father, which was dated 23rd April, 1806.

James Shaw, Workman, Carron, was seised in this property on 18thFebruary, 1765, on a Feu Contract between him and the Trustees ofMichael Ramsay of Mungall, signed 13/15 March 1775. James Shaw's wifeJean Cockburn, was granted a liferent interest in the property. Inanother record of 1812, James Shaw is described as Feuar, Bainsford, andthe name seems to have been attached to the house owned and lived in byMargaret Shaw, thus accounting for the description of Robert Maclaren asof Bainsford.

In a search for relevant Wills or Testaments, that of Robert MacLaren wastraced, though this very interesting document is not a testamenttestamentary, his estate being disposed under the terms of his MarriageContract with Margaret Shaw. The relevant deeds were not recorded in theStirlingshire Sheriff Court until 1864, as a result of the dispute withAndrew Liddell. A full copy of the deed is appended. Robert Maclaren isagain described as sub-manager of the Carron Iron Co. and his date ofdeath at Bainsford confirmed as 11th August, 1826. Details of the caseagainst the estate of Andrew Liddell are given. The executry shows thatMargaret MacLaren married William Law, Glasgow, Janet still lived atBainsford; and the younger sons, Andrew and Archibald were Ironmongers inLondon. The full text of the Post-Nuptial Contract between RobertMacLaren and Margaret Shaw is also given.

Note A: Shaw

The. baptism of Margaret Shaw is recorded at Falkirk-
1781 lst April
Margaret Shaw laul.dau. to James Shaw & Jean Cockburn.
Wit(nesses) John Swourbay (?) and John Russell.

Other children registered to the same person are :
Janet, baptized 13 May 1770
Catherine, baptized 27 June, 1773 (witnesses including a Robert 5haw)
Jean, baptized 27 October, 1776.

The marriage of the parents is not registered at Falkirk, suggesting thatthey came there from elsewhere. suggesting that they came there fromelsewhere.

NOTE B: ANCESTRY OF ROBERT M.ACLAREN

Robert MacLaren is known to have been born about 1778, but there is nosuitable baptismal entry recorded in the Falkirk Registers. So far therehas been no indication as to his parish of origin or parentage.

It is suggested that the following lines of enquiry be pursued -

(a) In the Contract between Robert MacLaren and Margaret Shaw (seephotostat copy) the Trustees appointed are Andrew Liddell "our belovedBrother" and Andrew Renny "our Brother-in-law". It might be helpful toestablish the relationship of Andrew Liddell in particular, if he wasrelated to the MacLarens. Even if the wife could be a clue, and it ispossible that he was a brother uterine of Robert MacLaren.

(b) In view of the Baptist persuasion of Robert MacLaren it is likelythat he was the son of a Baptist Minister, Records of Baptists are noteasily available but the line of enquiry can be followed up.

(c) Now that it is known that Robert MacLaren was sub-manager of theCarron Co., it would seem worth while to re-open that line ofinvestigation. The records of the Company are now deposited in RegisterHouse, Edinburgh, and though not yet available to the public (beinguncatalogued) access could probably be arranged.





Robert MacLaren of Bainsford

Report

Andrew Liddell, brother of Robert MacLaren, died at Bardowie House,parish of Baldernock on 15 November 1854. So far no record has been foundof his death (Baldernock has no burial records) and it is mostunfortunate that he did not survive till 1855 when the registration ofbirths, marriages and deaths became compulsory in Scotland. However heleft a Trust Settlement which at first sight appeared very helpful. ThisTrust was recorded in the Books of Council and Session but is also quotedin the Stirling Sheriff Court Register of Inventories Volume 36 page 122.The following genealogical information was extracted:

Andrew Liddell married twice. His first wife was Janet Goodsir and hersister Mary Goodsir now residing in Largo in Fifeshire is mentioned inthe Settlement. His second wife was Jessie Peddie. There is a referenceto an ante-nuptial contract of marriage dated 2 November 1829, but it isunlikely that this document was registered officially as the source wouldnormally be given.

Details are given of the McLaren family. He speaks of' his deceasedbrother uterine Robert McLaren, Clerk at Carron Iron works, and hiswidow, Margaret Shaw or McLaren.
The children are also mentioned:
James Shaw Mclaren now at Pittsburgh or elsewhere in the USA,
Robert McLaren Gas Tube Manufacturer in Glasgow,
Andrew McLaren, merchant in London,
and Archibald McLaren 'presently Clerk with the said Robert Mclaren,'
Janet McLaren living with her mother at Bainsford, and
Margaret McLaren wife of William Law formerly Shoemaker in Dunfermlinenand now or
lately Farmer at Brunton in Linlithgowshire.

Andrew Liddell also makes bequests to the children of the late AndrewRenny, Sawyer at Carron, and of his first wife, Margaret McLaren who wasAndrew Liddell's sister uterine. (Therefore Andrew Renny is both AndrewLiddell's and Robert Maclaren & Margaret Shaw's brother-in-law. See alsoNote:B (a))
The children are:
Michael Bruce Renny, Smith at Carron Iron works,
Andrew Renny, Smith in Glasgow,
Margaret Renny, wife of James Scott sawyer at at Carron,
Jean Renny wife of William Telford, weaver or blockcutter at or nearPollokshaws,
Robert Renny now or lately smith at Falkirk Foundry,
Isabella Renny wife of Moses Neilson at Grahamston,
Phoebe Renny, wife of Boston Harley dresser of iron goods at Carron,
and Jessie Renny widow of Andrew Stewart shoemaker at Grahamston.
Andrew Renny's second wife was Margaret Stevenson (they were married in1819).



Bequests are also made to the sons of his deceased uncle, WilliamLiddell, Baker in Airth.
The sons are:
William Joiner residing in Glasgow,
Alexander, baker at Airth,
and Andrew who was mentally deficient and resided with his brotherAlexander.

He also leaves money to the children of his aunt, Mrs Mary Liddell, byher second marriage with James Dunn, farmer in Airth.
The children are:
James Dunn, Baker in Tradeston,
Barbara Dunn or Shoels, widow of the late William Shoels, Nailer inAlloa,
and Christiana Dunn or Galloway, wife of William Galloway, Carter inCalton of
Glasgow.

Several of the Peddie family are mentioned:
Mrs Catherine Hodge or Peddie, widow of the late William Peddie,Secretary of the
Insurance Co. of Scotland,
Wilhelmina and Susan Peddie, his sisters in law residing with theirbrother in Edinburgh,
William and Alexander Peddie, his brothers in law,
Mary Peddie, spouse of Charles Arthur Secretary to the Edinburgh andLeith Gas Co.

The trustees appointed by Andrew Liddell were:
Patrick Wilson, Architect in Edinburgh (who appears to have beenmarried to a Catherine
Peddie, with children Robert, Catherine and William Wilson)
John McAndrew, S.S.C. in Edinburgh, an old and valued friend.
William James Duncan, manager of the National Bank of Scotland inEdinburgh.
William Lockhart, formerly merchant in Kirkcaldy, now residing atBirkenhead, Cheshire,
and married to an Eliz. Peddie.
David Smith, Shoemaker in Glasgow.
Alexander Hastie, Merchant in Glasgow
Hugh Moncrieff, Writer in Glasgow (or his partner Adam Paterson, Writerthere).

There are several bequests to charity including Baptist organisations.
A bequest to William Auld, Pastor of the Baptist Church in Brown Street,Glasgow, was later cancelled in a codicil to the settlement.

This settlement was dated 15 November 1848. The codicil is dated 26 April1851 and was written at Plean House, Stirlingshire.

Unfortunately Andrew Liddell and his wife were not at Plean House (Parishof St Ninians) during the 1851 Census Schedules and an attempt to findhim at Bardowie House in Baldernock and at some of the premises he ownedin Glasgow was unsuccessful. This was a great drawback as the Censuswould have produced an age and parish of birth.
.........


Andrew Liddell's first marriage was recorded in Glasgow in 1820:

"Andrew Liddell, Merchant in Glasgow & Janet Goodsir Parish of Largo,Fifeshire, Married 11th Jany by Mr. Anstruther Taylor, Minister ofCarnbee."

The second marriage was recorded in Glasgow and Edinburgh, which last isquoted:

"Mr. Andrew Liddell, Ironmonger, Residing in Argyll Street in the City ofGlasgow and Miss Jessie Peddie Residing in No. 12 Windmill Street in thisParish, Eldest Daughter of Mr William Peddie, Secretary to the InsuranceCompany of Scotland, Residing there, have been Three times proclaimed inorder to marriage in the Parish Church of Saint Cuthberts and noObjections have been Offered. Married on the Third day of Nov. current byHenry David Dickie Pastor of the Baptist Congregation in Pleasance."

With the aid of the Census Schedules it was discovered that AndrewLiddell's uncle, William Liddell, married Margaret Boyd in Airth on 13December 1793. James Dunn and Mary Liddell were married 30 April 1789 inAirth. William Liddell died in Airth and was buried on 4 June 1837, butthe age is left blank. A search for the possible birth of Andrew Liddellor Robert MacLaren in Airth was not successful.

William Liddell left a will but it was not helpful as the executors wereWilliam Boyd, Farmer in Airth Mill and Peter Boyd, Farmer, Westfield. Thedocument gives his date of death as 31 May 1837 and his children (livingin 1835) as Margaret, Ann, Mary, William, Alexander
and Andrew. (Stirling Sheriff Court: Register of Deeds Vol. 29, page227 and Register of Inventories Vol. 17, page 503).
On 24 August 1854 Alexander Liddell, Baker, Airth, gives Peter Boyd asPower of Attorney as he is thinking of going to Australia. (StirlingSheriff Court Register of Deeds Vol. 29, page 225).

Glasgow Sasines (in their abridged version) were examined 1781 - 1860 andalthough Andrew Liddell was concerned in several property deals he doesnot appear to have inherited any of the property from relatives.

Then Stirlingshire Sasines were examined 1781 - 1830 and a newpossibility appeared. On 24 November 1797 Andrew Liddell, Schoolmaster atBainsford, and Margaret Laurie his spouse were seised in 6 falls ofground which were part of the lands of Mungall (Stirlingshire ParticularRegister of Sasines Vol. 34, page 526). Margaret Laurie can sell the landafter the death of her husband Andrew Liddell 'if she should be under thenecessity of so doing for her own and the child or children procreated ofthe marriage between her and the said Andrew Liddell their support &upbringing but not otherwise'. This could be taken as an indication thatshe had children by a first marriage.

On 19 October 1814 Andrew Liddell, eldest lawful son of Andrew Liddell,schoolmaster at Bainsford, and Margaret Laurie, is seised in the aboveland which he sells again on 15 January 1817. (Stirlingshire ParticularRegister of Sasines Vol 7, page 209, and Vol. 75, page 210).


The birth of Andrew Liddell was entered in the Falkirk parish registers:
2Oth (December 1789)
C(hild). Andrew lawl,
P(arents Andrew Liddell
Margaret Lawrie
W(itnesses) John Robertson
Daniel Miller
Born lst Current.

The marriage of the parents did not take place in Falkirk but waseventually found in the parish of Larbert

"June 10th 1786 Andrew Liddle & Margaret Laurie both in this parish gaveup their names for proclamation"

No other children were registered in Falkirk to this couple up to 1797."

While there is no proof that Andrew Liddell and Margaret Laurie were theparents of Andrew Liddell, Ironmonger in Glasgow, the known facts wouldseem to fit the case fairly well. Unfortunately, however, a possiblefirst marriage of Margaret Lawrie and McLaren was not found in Larbert(though there is a gap in the marriage register 1768- 1775) and the birthof a Robert McLaren around 1778 to such parents was not registered inLarbert. Success in finding an entry would of course depend very much onwhether the McLarens lived in the Stirlingshire area or simply camethere, after the birth of their children, from, some other part ofScotland.
(From a Report [about 1950s] of research into the family of RobertMaclaren of Bainsford. Commissioned by John Frederick Peverell Maclaren.)


An attempted to type up the handwritten notes of John Frederick PeverellMaclaren (1896-1776), probably written in the 1950s or 60s.

Notes by John Frederick Peverell Maclaren (1896-1776)
1. Margaret Lawrie "Lawrie" is given by Mr. Maclaren of Maclaren onp.124 as an Anglicized version of Maclaren, which some families adopted.Thereforewas this her first husbands name, if so why did her childrenrevert to "Maclaren". Or was it her maiden name? W? did Registrair dowe cares of /// named twice? Was her husband ????? "wanted"for the '45 and adopted this name as a temporary safe-guard _ or hisfather/ (her husband could have been in the '45)
2. Was Maclaren or Lawrie a Baptist .. No evidence ?? be ???. TheLiddells seem to have been.
3. The Liddells seem to have come from Airth


Notes
1. Buried in the old Kirkyard of Falkirk. James Shaw & his wife JeanCockburn, and Robert Shaw are described as "beloved ancestors" byMargaret's children who erected the stone soon after her death. It seemsprobable that James & Jean where her parents and Robert's ? hergrandfather, that he is is not specifically stated. Bainsford is ?? nof Falkirk.
2. Year of birth shown in brackets (1778 for Robert Maclaren) arecomputed from age of death ? so may be one year out, according to thedate of death and of birthday.
3. (James Shaw Maclaren (1808-1891) Born in Bainsford 1808. Died in USAin 1891.
4. (John Finlay, 1812-1883, & Mary Adams, d. 1883, their daughter MaryJane Finlay, 1841-1900 & her husband Robert Maclaren 1817-1889) Buried inCraigton Cemetery, Glasgow. Robert was the founder of Robert Maclaren &Company, Eglington Iron Works, Glasgow. Mary Jane was an only child andvery highly educated for girls of that day. (see her self-portrait).
5. The Finlays are said to have been " Cro?? lairds", ie a landowningfamily somewhere near Glasgow. Joan Toe?? is said to have been the firstto go into business __/ a younger son.
6. (In children of Robert Maclaren & Mary Jane Finlay) There werepresumably other children, probably between James & Robert. My father(John Finlay Maclaren 1868-1908) had first cousins Richard Maclaren,Edith Maclaren, & William Kennedy. Richard had a son Richard and adaughter Peggy __ think this branch is still alive in Scotland (Peggy,living in Paisley, contacted Ian Garnet Maclaren after his pictureappeared in "Scotland" magazine and they subsequently met several times.)
7. Colonel Robert Maclaren D.L., J.P., T.D., of Craigs Linlithgow,Chairman of Robert Maclaren & Company. Seaforth Highlanders,Vice-Lieutenant of the County Ross. ?? was in Jameison Raid and was triedwith Dr. Jameison and acquitted
8. (Ada Maclaren, abt 1890-1950) married Major Charles Monro of Allan,Seaforth Highlanders, Vice-Lieutenant of the County Ross. ?? was inJameison Raid and was tried with Dr. Jameison and acquitted. Ada waskilled in a fire at Aviemore Hotel in 1950. No children.
9. ( Margaret Shaw Maclaren, b 1864) married William Stewart of Glasgow.1 daughter, Maisie who married Dr Jenner Hoskins of Harley Street,London, and had two daughters, Margaret and Mary, and a son Christopher.
10. (Joan Findlay Maclaren, b 1866) married James Alexander Clarke, RN.One daughter Isobel who married George Gillian of the Sarawak Civilservice and had a daughter Georgina and a son Robert. Joan also had a sonAlexander Robert Maclaren.
11. (John Finlay Maclaren, 1868-1908) Partner in Robert Maclaren &Company. Died aged 39 of typhoid.
12. (Clara Hillhouse, 1871-1949) Daughter of Archibald Hillhouse ofBusby, Lanarkshire. General Goods Manager of the old Caledonian RailwayCompany. Archibalds wife was Annie Adamson of County Durban, who was aPerevoll? on her mother's side.
13. (James Shaw Maclaren, 1970-1950) of Ardlarach, Tain, Ross-shire,married Daisy Stewart Ogilvie. Children Helen (married lastly a MrBregger of Nyassaland), Colin Shaw (late Indian Army now in USA),Christobel (died young),Lt. Commander Douglas Hamish Ian Leu???RN.(married Jean Trimgham and had 1 daughter Lucilla), and David PatrickOgilvie, Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders killed in action at Khartoun in1924.



Resume
1757 Margaret Lawrie (? Or Maclaren) presumably born before this date.
1786 Margaret Lawrie married Andrew Liddell 1 of Larbert (She was (if weare on the proper Liddell family which is definitely a doubt) a widowwith 2 children.
1 A daughter Margaret Maclaren?, in her "teens" (Married Andrew Renniein 1792 & therefore C. not c?ter ??? c.1775) died before 1819.
2 A son Robert maclaren, born 1778
1789 Andrew Liddell and Margaret Lawrie had a son Andrew Liddell II(birth registered at Falkirk).
1797 Andrew Liddle and his wife Margaret Lawrie bought land atBainsford. (he was now described as a school master at Bainsford.)Thisland appears to be similar to the Shaw property.
1807 Robert Maclaren married Margaret Shaw (b. 1781) at Falkirk(presumably before this time, Robert had been living with the ??Liddells, ???ding his little half brother Andrew.)
1808 Robert's son James Shaw Maclaren born.
1810 Robert's daughter Jean born (?died).
1812 Robert's daughter Margaret Born (married William Law of Glasgow)
1814 Andrew Liddle II succeeded to his parent's land at Bainsford.
1816 Robert's daughter Janet born. (? Died, not married)
1817 Robert's son Robert born. & later Jeannie (c 1820-1843) , Andrew(c1826), & Archibald (c 1827)
1820 Andrew Liddell married Janet Goodsir.
1826 Robert Died. He was then Sub-Manager of the Carron Iron Works &partner with his half-brother Andrew Liddell in his firm of"Iron-mongers" (or manufactures) of Andrew & Co.. Before his death inthe same year he set up a trust (with Margaret Shaw) for their children.The Trustees were both or either his half-brother Andrew Liddell andAndrew Rennie (husband of his elder sister Margaret). This Trust seemsto have worked without dispute until the deaths in 1854 of both AndrewLiddell and Margaret Shaw.
1840 (n? 1841) Robert II founded Robert Maclaren & Company.
1848 Date? Of Andrw Liddell's S Robert family & their whereaboutsare mentioned.
1864 Robert II & some of his brothers & sisters raise claim v. AndrwewLiddell ??? (Salt?ed) ??aviors from trust? of 1826.


Results of search 9th November 2000 at Scots Origins, Online registryof genealogical information of the Registrar General for Scotland.http://www.origins.net/GRO/

First letter:
C =Christening
B=Birth
M=Marriage

Second letter:
M = Male
F=Female
U=Unknown

C & B are organised as : Date, Name, Father, Mother, District
M is are organised as :: Date, Name, Spouse, District


Search for- Robert* Mclaren, Mother Margaret (& Margt), 1768 +Or- 5,1778 +Or- 5
C M 23 Feb 1772 Mclaren Robert, Mclaren William, Cunningham Margaret,Dunfermline
C M 12 May 1776, Mclaren Robert, Mclaren John, Mcdonald Margaret,Balquhidder
C M 6 Sep 1778, Mclaren Robert, Mclaren Donald, King Margaret,Balquhidder
C M 4 Jul 1779, Mclaren Robert, Mclaren Dougal, Fergusson Margaret,Callander
C 23 Mar 1783, Mclaren Robert, Mclaren Robert, Campbell Margt., Kincardine

Search for- Robert* Mclauren, Mother Margaret (& Margt), 1752 1798
M M 11 Apr 1765 Mclauren Robert Stewart Margt. Blair Atholl & Strowan


Search for- Robert* Mclearen, Mother Margaret, 1778 +Or- 5, 1768 +Or-5
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Search for- Robert* Mclairan & Maclairan, Mother Margaret, 1768 +Or- 5,1778 +Or- 5.
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Search for- Robert* Maclaren, Mother Margaret (& Margt), 1768 +Or- 5,1778 +Or- 5.
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Search for- Robert* Mcclaren, Mother Margaret (& Margt), 1768 +Or- 5,1778 +Or- 5. 1788 +Or- 5
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Maclarens
Most of the information on the Maclarens has come from a Report (about1950s)
of research into the family of Robert Maclaren of Bainsford. (AlsoLaurie, Shaw, Liddell, Peddie, Findlay, Renny.) Commissioned by JohnFrederick Peverell Maclaren.
Much information was collected over many years by him and his daughterJean Gaselle Greer.
Plus additional information on Maclarens of 20th & 21st Centuries isprovided by family members.

Information on Maclaren Chiefs is mostly from:
Margaret Maclaren of Maclaren. "The Maclarens. A History of Clan Labhran".
1976 & 1984. ISBN 0 946270 10 4. Copyright Donald Maclaren of Maclaren.
The Pentland Press, Edinburgh. Printed & bound by McCorquodale (Scotland)Ltd.

And from information that Banks McLaurin found in "Notable Events in Clanand National History"

Robert married Margaret Shaw on 6 Dec 1807 in Falkirk, Scotland. Margaret (daughter of James Shaw and Jean Cockburn) was born about 1779 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland; died in 1854 in Age 73; was buried in Falkirk Churchyard, Re-Interred In Camelon Cemetery. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

0n 20th September, 1822, Margaret Shaw, spouse of Robert McLaren,
Clerk to the Carron Co. residing in Bainsford was seised in 7 falls of
ground with the houses thereon, being part of the lands of Mungall,
adjacent to Bainsford, parish of Falkirk, on a disposition by James
Shaw, labourer, Bainsford, her father, which was dated 23rd April,
1806.


From Brian Watters 6th July 2001
However, I can give you a little information on some of the othersmentioned in your letter. Robert Maclaren's wife Margaret, was thedaughter of James Shaw of Bainsford. She inherited her father's propertyin 1822 as can be seen from the Abridgement of Sasines for Stirlingshire:

Sept. 20. 1822. 617. MARGARET SHAW, spouse of Robert McLaren, Clerk tothe Carron Co., residing in Bainsford, Seised, Sept. 17. 1822, - in 7Falls of ground with the Houses thereon, being part of the lands ofMUNGALL, adjacent to BAINSFORD, par. Falkirk; - on Disp. by James Shaw,Labourer,
Bainsford, her father, Apr. 23. 1806. PR. 102.20.

John + Mary Adams. Mary died in 1883; was buried in Craigton Cemetary, Glasgow.. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]