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THE HISTORY OF THE SCOTS, THE PICTS AND THE BRITONS
DAVID F. DALE
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Fantastic source of information. In one place he presents a strong casethat the Pictish Kings and the Scots Kings may have been the same people:
"Compare the early reigns recognised by historians such as W.A. Cummins;
Pictish King List Dalriadic Monarchs
Drust (d 478) Fergus (501? 3 year reign)
Talore (478-482) Angus Mor ?
Nechtan (482-506) Domangart Ness' son (d 506)
Drest Gurthinmoch (506-36) Comgall (506-537)
Drust son of Gyrom (536-558) Gabran (d 559)
Brude Mac Maelcon (begun reign 558) Conall (begun reign 559)
The Pictish King list is almost exactly the same as the Dalriadic KingList, the dates are tallying too well for just a coincedence. By themiddle of the sixth century, none of the dates of Pictish and Scoticreigns are significantly different. Even the names when pronouncedcorrectly with the proper accent sound far too similar for it to be anaccident (Drust/Drest is probably another version of Brude i.e. fatherof). The fact that there are the same number of Kings, all reigning andbeing suceeded at the same time, indicates that these are the samekings." (22.1)
In Chapter 11 the line of Eric:
"Two sons of Eochaid Muin-remor, namely Erc and Olchu. And Erc had twelvesons, six of them took possession of Scotland :- two Loarns, Loarn Becand Loarn Mor; and two sons of {Nes}, Mac Misi Bec and Mac Misi Mor; twosons Fergus Bec and Fergus Mor. Six others were in Ireland, namelyMac-Deichill; Angus, whose descendants are in Scotland; Enda, Bressal,Fiachra, Dubtach, Others say that Erc had another son whose name wasMuiredach.
Olchu, Eochaid Muin-remar's son had eleven sons, who inhabited Muirbolgwith the [men of] Dalriata; namely Muiredach Bolc, Aed, Guaire, Daire,Angus, Tuathal, Anblomaid, Eochaid, Setna, Brisomu, Cormac.
Fergus Erc's son was another name of Mac Misi Mor. He had one sonDomangart, Domangart had two sons Gabran and Comgall, both sons ofFedlim, daughter of Briun, son of Eochaid Muigmedon. Comgall had one sonConall. Conall had seven sons :-
Loingsech, Nechtan, Artan, Tuathan, Tutio, Coirpre, Gabran had five sons:-
Aed Find [Aidan], Eogan, Cuiltech, Donald, Domangart. Aed Find [Aidan]had seven sons :-
two Eochaids, Eochaid Buide and Eochaid Find; Tuathal, Bran, Baithine,Conaing, Gartnait Eochaid Buide, Aidan's son had eight son's:-
Donald Brecc and Donald Dond, and Conall Crandoma, Conall Bregg, ConnadCerr, Failbe, Domangart, Cu-Cen-Mathir Eochaid Find had eight sons :-
Baetann, Pertan, Pletan, Cormac, Cronan, Feradach, Fedlimid, Caplen
These were the sons of Conaing, Aidan's son:-
Rigallan, Ferchar, Artan, Arthur, Duncan, Domangart, Nechtan, Nem,Crumene
Four sons of Gartnait, namely ....
Two sons of Morgan, son of Eochaid Find, son of Aidan, son of Gabran[grandson of Fergus Mor]. Now [Fergus Mor's] Brother was Fergus Bec, sonof Erc Geodnaid. He had one son Setna, from whom descend the tribe ofSetna, or Setne, son of Fergus Bec, son of EochaidMuin-remor.
Angus Mor and Loarn and Macc-Misi Mor were three sons of Erc on that Side
Angus Mor Erc's son, had two sons Natsluaig and Fergna. Fergna had sevensons :-
Tuathal, Aed Letho, Riagan, Fiachu, Guaire, Cantaan, Eocho."
The senchus continues with more information on 8th century divisions andmanpower within the territories of the descendants of the son's of Erc -I have omitted the remainder of the senchus as the main purpose of thischapter is to define the genealogy of the early Scots kings."
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Kings of Scots
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Kings of Dalriada
Fergus Mor c.500-501
Domangart mac Fergus 501-507
Comgall mac Domangart 507-538
Gabhran mac Domangart 538-558
Conall mac Comgall 558-574
Aedan mac Gabhran 574-608
Eochaid Buide 608-629
Connad Cerr 629
Domnal Brecc the Freckled 629-642
Ferchar mac Connad 642-650
Dunchad mac Conaing 650-654 (joint)
Conall Crandomna 650-660
Domangart mac Domnal 660-673
Maelduin mac Conall 673-688
Domnall Donn 688-695
Ferchar Fota 695-697
Eochaid Crook-Nose 697
Ainbcellach mac Ferchar 697-698
Fiannamail mac Conall 698-700
Selbach mac Ferchar 700-723
Dungal mac Selbach 723-726
Eochaid mac Eochaid 726-733
Alpin mac Eochaid 733
Muiredach mac Ainbcellach 733-736
Eogan mac Muiredach 736-739
Aed Find the White 739-778
Fergus mac Eochaid 778-781
Eochaid the Venemous 781
Constantine mac Fergus 781-820
Oengus mac Fergus 820-834
Drust mac Constantine 834-837
Eoganan mac Oengus 837-839
Alpin mac Eochaid 839-841
Kings of Alba
Kenneth I mac Alpin 841-859
Donald I 859-863
Constantine I 863-977
Aed Whitefoot877-878
Eochaid 878-889 (joint)
Giric 878-889
Donald II Dasachtach 889-900
Constantine II 900-943
Malcolm I 943-954
Indulf 954-962
Dubh 962-967
Culen 967-971
Kenneth II 971-995
Constantine III 995-997
Kenneth III 997-1005
Malcolm II 1005-1034
Kings of Scots
Duncan I the Gracious 1034-1040
Macbeth 1040-1057
Lulach the Simple 1057-1058
Malcolm III Canmore Bighead 1058-1093
Donald III 1093-1094
Duncan II 1094
Donald II 1094-1097 (joint)
Edmund 1094-1097
Edgar 1097-1107
Alexander I the Fierce 1107-1124
David I the Saint 1124-1153
Malcolm IV the Maiden 1153-1165
William I the Lion 1165-1214
Alexander II 1214-1249
Alexander III 1249-1286
Margaret the Maid of Norway 1286-1290
Interregnum 1290-1292
John Balliol 1292-1296
Interregnum 1296-1306
Robert I the Bruce1306-1329
David II 1329-1332
Edward Balliol 1332-1338
David II (again) 1338-1371
Robert II 1371-1390
Robert III 1390-1406
James I 1406-1437
James II 1437-1460
James III 1460-1488
James IV 1488-1513
James V 1513-1542
Mary Queen of Scots 1542-1567
James VI 1567-1625
Charles I 1625-1649
Charles II 1649-1685
James VII 1685-1689
Mary II 1689-1694
William II 1689-1702
Anne 1702-1707
KINGS of the PICTS
There is not always agreement as to the names (and there spelling) anddates. I have given some examples below, with I hope the appropriatecredits
http://www.britannia.com/history/monarchs/picts.html
THE KINGS of the PICTS
Talorg son of Aniel 448-452
Nechton Morbet son of Erip 452-476
Drust Gurthinmoch 476-506
Galanan Erilich 506-518
Drust son of Fudrus 518-523 (joint)
Drust son of Girom 518-528
Garthnac son of Girom 528-535
Cailtran son of Girom 535-536
Talorg son of Muircholaich 536-547
Drust son of Munait 547-548
Galam Cennaleph 548-553
Bruide son of Mailcon 553-584
Gartnait son of Domelch 584-595
Nechtan nepos Werb 595-615
Cinioch son of Lutrin 615-634
Gartnait son of Fochel 634-639
Bruide son of Fochel 639-644
Talorg son of Fochel 644-656
Talorgen son of Enfret 656-660
Gartnait son of Domnall 660-666
Drest son of Domnall 666-673
Bruide son of Bili 673-694
Taran son of Entifidich 694-698
Bruide son of Derelei 698-709
Nechtan son of Derelei 709-c.720
Carnach son of Ferach c.720-722
Angus son of Fergus c.722-723
Nectan son of Derelei (again) 723-724
Angus son of Bruide 724
Alpin son of Angus (or Eochaid) 724-729 (joint)
Drust son of Talorgen 724-729
Angus son of Fergus 729-759
Bruide son of Fergus (or Angus) 759-761
Ciniod son of Feredach 761-773
Alpin son of Ferach (or Angus) 773-777
Drust son of Talorgen 777-778
Talorgen son of Drust 778-782
Talorgen son of Angus 782-785
Canaul son of Tarl'a 785-790
Constantine son of Fergus 790-820
Angus son of Fergus 820-834
Drust son of Constantine 834-837 (joint)
Talorgen son of Fothoil 837
Eogan son of Angus 837-839
Ferach son of Bargoch 839-842
Bruide son of Ferach 842
Ciniod son of Ferach 842-843
Bruide son of Fochel 843-845
Drust son of Ferach 845-847
Ciniod son of Alpin 847-858
(alias Kenneth I mac Alpin of Scots)
Some Pictish High Kings (by Date)
http://www.cushnieent.force9.co.uk/kings.html
Paul D. Firth
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SName CName From To Mention Notes
Talorg 388 413 0 Surname is given variously as Mac Keother andMac Keocher.
Mac Erp Drust 413 453 0 Surname variants are Yrb and Wirp.
Mac Aniel Talorg 453 456 0
Mac Erp Nectan Morbet 456 480 0 Younger brother of Drust MacErp.He is called "the Great". His clan-lands were in the region of Tay,embracing parts of Forfarshire, Perthshire, and Fife. Tradition givesthat he was a Christian.
Guorthinmoc Drust 480 510 0 During his sovereignty, in AD498, the Gaidheals or Scots of the Irish Dalriada intruded theircolonists into Pictland at Cantyre. Apparently Drust did nothing to stopthem, if he even knew.
Arilith Galan 510 522 0
Mac Udrost Drust 522 527 0 Reigned jointly with DrustMacGyrom. Each would keep his seat in the capital of his clan; but inaffairs that concerned all the clans they would lead together.
Mac Gyrom Drust 522 532 0 Reigned jointly with Drust MacUdrostfrom 522 to 527. Each would keep his seat in the capital of his clan; butin affairs that concerned all the clans they would lead together. From527 to 532 Drust reigned alone.
Mac Gyrom Gartnaidh 532 539 0 During his reign, in AD 537, thehistorical Arthur fell at the battle of Camelon in Stirlingshire, onPictish teritory, in combat with the rebel Medraut, son of Loth or Lew of"Dinas Eiddyn (Edinburgh) in the North."
Mac Gyrom Celtran 539 540 0
Mac Murtholic Talorg 540 551 0 During his reign "the YellowPlague" raged throughout the country.
Mac Munaith Drust 551 552 0 Possibly reigned for one yearonly because of the Yellow Plague.
Cennaleph Galan 552 553 0 Reigned for only one years possiblybecause of the Yellow Plague. From 553 to 554 he reigned jointly withBrude MacMaelchon. He died in AD 580.
Mac Maelchon Brude 553 584 0 He reigned for the first yearjointly with Galan Cennaleph. Brude died in 584. He was a pagan all hislife but could tolerate Christians. His home-territories and capital wereround Inverness.
Mac Domneth Gartnaidh 584 599 0 Gartnaidh's home-territories andcapital were on the east of Alba in the region of the Tay. He was aChristian.
MacConnon MocuErp Nectan 599 621 0 He also was a Christian andhis home territories were on the east coast round the Tay, mainly in whatis Forfarshire.
Mac Luthrenn Ciniath 621 631 0
Mac Wid Gartnaidh 631 635 0 Died AD 635.
Mac Wid Brude 635 641 0 Died AD 641.
Mac Wid Talorg 641 653 0 Died AD653.
Mac Enfred Talorgan 653 657 0 Died AD 657.
Mac Donnel Gartnaidh 657 663 0
Mac Donnel Drust 663 672 0 Deposed and Brude MacBile wasappointed.
Mac Bile Brude 672 693 0 Died AD 693. The Pictish Chroniclegives the duration of his reign as 21 years; and Tighernac confirms bygiving his death at 693.
Mac Entifidich Taran 693 697 0 He was a weak king and wasdeposed after ruling for only four years. Two of these years werenominal, the real power during that time being in the hands of Brude,chief of the powerful house of Derelei, who became sovereign.
Derelei Brude 695 706 0 He was effective ruler for the lasttwo years of the reign of Taran MacEntifidich who was deposed in 697.Brude died in AD 706 having "reigned" for 11 years.
Derelei Nechtan 706 724 0 He tried to gain friedship with theEnglish. In AD 711 they showed their feelings and appeared on the Moor ofMannan under Bertfrid, Osred's chief ealdorman. No vicory is recorded foreither side but both suffered heavily.
Alpin 726 728 0
MacFergus Oengus I 729 761 0 King of Fortrenn. He "enthroned" StAndrew as patron of the Picts instead of St Peter. He won the kingship byforce rather than by election.
Mac Fergus Brude 761 763 0
Mac Wredech Ciniod 763 775 0 (Kenneth MacFeredach)
Mac Wroid Elpin 775 780 0 (Alpin MacFeroid).
Mac Talorgen Drest (Drust) 0 783 0 According to the Annals ofUlster, Dubhtolarg, who died in 782, reigned independently during thissovereign's time over the Picts "citra Monaidh" (Dunottar).
Mac Angus Talorgan 0 785 0
Mac Taidg Conall 789 790 0 A chief of Dalriada who claimed bothcrowns and was opposed by Constantine. Defeated by Constantine, dethronedand banished.
Mac Fergus Constantine I 790 820 0 King of Fortrenn from thedefeat of Conall until his death in AD 820. King of Dalriada also from811.
Mac Fergus Angus II 820 834 0 King of Fortrenn & King ofDalriada.
Mac Constantine Drust 834 837 0 Reigned jointly withTalorgan MacWthoil.
Mac Wthoil Talorgan 834 837 0 Reigned jointly with Drust MacConstantine.
Mac Bargoit Wrad 839 841 0 Reigned jointly with Brude for oneyear.
Mac Dergart Brude 841 842 0 The last of the line of PictishSovereigns listed in the Pictish Chronicle.
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